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Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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> One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries That's the sales pitch, but the implementations all require basically anonymous, unaccountable intermediaries that are trusted.

So let’s just stop trying all together then, since things haven’t worked out well so far. That is in effect what your statement is implying. I’ll preface this by stating: running financial experiments on retail investors is immoral and likely criminal. That being said, how many failures did Goddard have before his first successful liquid rocket? A lot! He was ridiculed in newspapers, touted as crazy, and seen as a fa…

> So let’s just stop trying all together then, since things haven’t worked out well so far.

Crypto isn’t actually trying; the intermediaries that need to be trusted are fundamental to the concept, despite the sales pitch.

If you want to direct commerce without trusted intermediaries, just do that, it’s called barter and it works in certain circumstances.

The “problem” crypto pretends to solve is that turning that in to monetary exchange that is, replacing at least one part of that direct exchange with a fungible token traded not for its own direct utility but instead optimized for use in exchange with third parties for other goods and services, makes it suddenly rely on trusting external actors and social systems, but that isn’t a solvable problem, it is unalterably inherent in the very concept of monetary exchange. All any system can do is obscure that, reducing the probability that the trust extended is warranted.

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So many short-sighted critiques. Web3 or whatever might not be the answer, but you have to ask yourself a question: what's the internet going to look like in 2030, when the majority of its traffic is non-western, and a massive share of all purchasing power resides in Africa and Asia? Do you think by 2030, all global governments and their citizens will voluntarily give away control over what they can consume and creat…

The critiques aren't short sighted. Cryptocurrency schemes are not the future of the web. Cryptocurrency is useful as a darknet currency, other than that it's all shell games, flitting around useless tokens without any productive work being done.

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Why exactly would you trust random strangers with your critical data rather than use S3?

In the same sense I trusted my MP3 downloads on eDonkey before the records association played a foul game.

s/played a foul game/forced me to pay for what I’d been stealing/

FTFY.

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It's worth noting that the title here confuses "web3" with "web 3.0". It means "web3". Web3 is the crypto nonsense that the article talks about, which has almost nothing to do with the web. Web 3.0 is Tim Berners Lee's vision for a decentralized web: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/web-inventor-tim-berners-lee... I think it's an important distinction to make. Web 3.0 is noble in its vision and intentions, while web3…

> Web3 is the crypto nonsense that the article talks about, which has almost nothing to do with the web. Web 3.0 is Tim Berners Lee's vision for a decentralized web

The web3, Web 3, Web 3.0 naming ship has already sailed and was successfully hijacked by the Ethereum crowd. The semantic web was close to non-existent to begin to take off with that name, hence the reason why it lost quickly.

Quite frankly, that is too bad and the damage is already done.

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They were very influential to Web3. That being said, it's like saying that BitTorrent is a Web3 protocol just because the general interests/end goals are shared between projects.

The creator of BitTorrent also sees himself and his technology as an important part of web3.

Which is a pretty solid proof that web3 isn’t a real thing.

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A so-called 'smart contract' is not a replacement for a contract. Just because you call something a contract doesn't mean it is. The same applies to 'decentralised finance'. It's not finance unless it can do financing, and defi can't.

my dude, do you always evaluate things for what they are rather than what they could be?

cryptocurrency has no credibility with respect to "what could be". Cryptocurrency enthusiasts are full of hype and bluster with nothing to show for it except a massive ecosystem of wasteeful scams, theft, and fraud.

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So many short-sighted critiques. Web3 or whatever might not be the answer, but you have to ask yourself a question: what's the internet going to look like in 2030, when the majority of its traffic is non-western, and a massive share of all purchasing power resides in Africa and Asia? Do you think by 2030, all global governments and their citizens will voluntarily give away control over what they can consume and creat…

The critiques aren't short sighted. Cryptocurrency schemes are not the future of the web. Cryptocurrency is useful as a darknet currency, other than that it's all shell games, flitting around useless tokens without any productive work being done.

> Cryptocurrency is useful as a darknet currency,

Yeah, having all transactions traceable on a public ledger is surely 'useful' for criminals, scammers, etc for everyone to see once it hits the exchange. /s

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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post #217

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The critiques aren't short sighted. Cryptocurrency schemes are not the future of the web. Cryptocurrency is useful as a darknet currency, other than that it's all shell games, flitting around useless tokens without any productive work being done.

> Cryptocurrency is useful as a darknet currency, Yeah, having all transactions traceable on a public ledger is surely 'useful' for criminals, scammers, etc for everyone to see once it hits the exchange. /s

The reality on the ground speaks for itself.

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So many short-sighted critiques. Web3 or whatever might not be the answer, but you have to ask yourself a question: what's the internet going to look like in 2030, when the majority of its traffic is non-western, and a massive share of all purchasing power resides in Africa and Asia? Do you think by 2030, all global governments and their citizens will voluntarily give away control over what they can consume and creat…

None of this, though reasonably stated, is good reason why crypto should underpin what comes next. And 7 years goes by fast. I've been in the web business professionally for almost 25 years and I can promise you that the fundamentals of the platform are not going to be upended by the fantasies of crypto dreamers by 2030. Hopefully we'll see more decentralization, or at least decentralized solutions more effectively c…

Indeed, this is a weird false dichotomy being presented by the parent.

The current centralized corporate oligopoly may be terrible, but a crypto-underpinned "web3" would be even worse. Decentralization is laudable, but "web3" (taken to mean: some kind of blockchain / cryptocurrency bolted onto the web) doesn't solve any real problems that actually exist, and even if it did it still requires centralization in the form of exchanges to make it easy enough for normal users to interact with these things.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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What is the meaning of decentralized services ?

This is not a good faith question, Google it

This is not a good faith answer, it is however the type of thing that turns a lot of people off to cryptocurrency.

If you google decentralized service in an incognito tab you’ll see why people ask this. The rest of the world gets Wikipedia articles about engineering distributed systems (like database clusters) and distributed consensus (like raft). Since that’s (probably) not what you mean, I submit that as the person using a standard term in a non-standard way that it’s on you to define it.

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