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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by filleduchaos »

jb1991 wrote: post #199
kuschku wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What keyboard combination do you use to switch between all windows of all apps in one single UI? (Note: that keyboard combination should also make sense on ISO keyboards and be available without third-party apps)

There are a few other options for doing that -- the two that come to mind: if both hands are on the keyboard, the standard Command-Tab combined with the down arrow key allow you to cycle through both apps and windows of a single app. Better though, a simple three-finger swipe up on the trackpad show all windows as thumbnails for easily getting to the window you want from any app. I use the latter constantly, saves ti…

Also by default Control+F4 will cycle through visible windows of all apps.

macOS has a lot of keyboard shortcuts, and you can add even more from both apps and Applescripts

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by pwinnski »

kuschku wrote: post #185
constantlm wrote: post #98

Several of the things listed are false (like the lack of ability to open files with your keyboard, which you can do with cmd-⬇) and app window switching (cmd+~)

If you say the author's issue is invalid, then please explain: How can you configure macOS to have a keyboard shortcut that also makes sense on ISO keyboards to switch between all windows of all apps in a single UI?

Why do you think that "windows" are the appropriate level at which to consider things, rather than a hierarchy in which one first choose the appropriate "application" and then switches between windows for that application, if more than one exist? Using a "single UI" to do two different things seems like an odd choice, albeit clearly one you're used to.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by trymas »

kuschku wrote: post #181
jb1991 wrote: post #171

The article seems ignorant of native tools built right into macOS. For example, it claims macOS is missing: > Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) This is simply false, and the whole list is by someone who just hasn't made an effort to learn how to use a new OS they are not familiar with. For example, I just use Command-tilda, two keys right next to each other, to switch be…

What keyboard combination do you use to switch between all windows of all apps in one single UI? (Note: that keyboard combination should also make sense on ISO keyboards and be available without third-party apps)

IMHO this poster have put it well: https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/yvxz2l/kde_beats_macos...

> It's a different way of thinking about desktop hierarchy. Physical screens, virtual desktops / fullscreen apps, applications, and windows are separately navigable items on macOS. On KDE it's essentially just windows, regardless of where they belong logically or physically.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by yamtaddle »

sofixa wrote: post #136
lampe3 wrote: post #20

To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

> pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. As long as you don't care about the fact that brew is slow as hell, or can't actually handle versions and dependencies properly (installed `gpg` the other day, it updated Python and SQLite and 50 other packages to the latest version, regardless of major or minor), yeah, it's a package manager. Kind of. It still boggles my mind Apple hav…

Linux user since 2000 or so. Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, and Gentoo, all heavily, with a little use of some other distros (Void, Arch, probably some others I'm forgetting about).

All around, Brew's my favorite package manager I've used. And yes, I started with Macports, so I've used that too.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by bentheklutz »

jasonlotito wrote: post #170
tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

> Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. > No, it doesn't. How do you take a screenshot that saves the screenshot to a specific spot that isn't the Desktop and ALSO stores the screenshot in the clipboard? cmd+shift+3/4 doesn't store the screenshot in the clipboard. It just stores in on the Desktop. You can click the preview and it will…

The save location for cmd+shift+{3,4} can be configured through the command line.

    defaults write com.apple.screencapture location
There is apparently a settings menu inside the Screenshot app now that allows this as well, though I found the above solution before the settings in that app came about.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by thiht »

sofixa wrote: post #136
lampe3 wrote: post #20

To be honest I stopped caring what OS I'm running as long as it is not windows. I have a terminal open 99% of the time and I almost never open finder or Gnome Files. pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. VS Code is basically the same on every system. Gnome/KDE/MacOS all of them have there pros and cons. Right now what wins for me is the apple silicon. I can develop stuff with…

> pacman or brew? really I don't care. Both install what I want with one command. As long as you don't care about the fact that brew is slow as hell, or can't actually handle versions and dependencies properly (installed `gpg` the other day, it updated Python and SQLite and 50 other packages to the latest version, regardless of major or minor), yeah, it's a package manager. Kind of. It still boggles my mind Apple hav…

It's a desktop, not a server, you should only ever install latest packages instead of relying on fixed versions. If you need a specific version, install a version manager. I use brew with everything latest, except for node which I manage with nvm and it works great.

Brew is actually my favorite package manager for this reason.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by tgv »

bentheklutz wrote: post #215
jasonlotito wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. > No, it doesn't. How do you take a screenshot that saves the screenshot to a specific spot that isn't the Desktop and ALSO stores the screenshot in the clipboard? cmd+shift+3/4 doesn't store the screenshot in the clipboard. It just stores in on the Desktop. You can click the preview and it will…

The save location for cmd+shift+{3,4} can be configured through the command line. defaults write com.apple.screencapture location There is apparently a settings menu inside the Screenshot app now that allows this as well, though I found the above solution before the settings in that app came about.

For those wondering: cmd-shift-5 is the shortcut the very configurable Screenshot app, which allows you to do things like save to folder, clipboard, or straight to mail and more.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by tgv »

russelg wrote: post #176
tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

> What does that mean? There's no tray bar. Is it the menu? Is it the Dock? In both cases, it's untrue, or the writer means something else. They're clearly talking about the area on the right of the menu bar. You know, the one you can't (temporarily) hide entries for without a third-party app, which is functionality that exists in both Windows and KDE.

You can drag cmd-drag them out, or configure them via their settings (system icons are in the Settings app, others in their own apps). Some applications don't support that, and are always present, that's true.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by prmoustache »

oleg_antonyan wrote: post #99

I had to stop the job interview when suddenly they said that I must use Mac. They ship MacBook to you and you have no choice of using Linux or anything else. Corporate policy. It's literally unusable for me after 15+ years on Linux with KDE (mostly). Tried Mac for 4 months at one of the previous jobs but escaped to a comfort zone. Sometimes habits are too strong, and alternative is not appealing enough.

I never own a macbook, but wouldn't a default install with only one application installed being an hypervisor to run a linux vm work for you? I guess that is totally what I would be doing if I was asked to use MacOs, using all but 2GB of ram to the VM.

I have no idea which is available for Mac but I think all modern hypervisors support multiple monitors nowadays.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by aruggirello »

trymas wrote: post #194
tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

Agreed one hundred percent. Why extremely biased rant from specific DE subreddit (also biased) gets so many upvotes? Who cares? My additions: * Poor to non-existing window tiling (at least Rectangle has very good defaults and works well) There are apps for that, like writer mentioned - so what's the problem? I'd argue that using Expose, Mission Control, Multiple desktops and controlling them with touchpad swipes is f…

> * Lack of native clipboard

> To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management?

You don't know native clipboard? It's like a universal second, "quick" clipboard in Linux. You select something somewhere - copied. You middle click somewhere - pasted. It's so much faster and super convenient, it supports terminal and is independent of the "main" clipboard so that you can (ab)use it to gain two clipboards at the same time if you so wish.

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