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Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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> In 2018, Echo and Alexa lost about $5 billion, said a person with knowledge of the finances. When Amazon introduced new devices this fall in an annual event, it was notably more restrained than past years when it had featured zany products like a sticky note printer and $1,000 home robot. $5B loss from one business line is a lot. Maybe this manner of investment inspired Zuck on the metaverse.

I never got the value of voice devices. In my experience you learn how to make them do 1-2 things. You learn a few patterns. But beyond that, even if they work 95% of the time, that 1 in 20 is annoying enough to make me not want to use it and just push a few buttons. Maybe case in point is using voice in the car. It should be the best, most obvious application. Yet aside from maybe texting, people want things like Ap…

Kitchen use cases for voice for me:

Setting multiple named alarms while cooking and often my hands are not clean to handle a phone or they're holding something going in an oven or they're stirring something.

Adding things to Todo lists or shopping lists as I notice them.

Setting alarms when I set a cup of tea to brew so I don't forget about it. I have to walk back to the room to stop it ringing, which means I can add milk and pick up my tea.

Changing what I'm listening to while washing dishes.

I'm already distractible enough, not having to pick up my phone to do them also means I'm less likely to get distracted.

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There's a big difference between reducing the number of hourly workers (warehouse, drivers) and cutting 10,000 corporate jobs.

...what is it? I really can't see a difference.

Hourly employees are easier to replace because the training path is much shorter.

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Try government. Though I had no luck finding government jobs, because the red tape is ridiculous.

I have no direct experience with this, but my understanding from some friends who work in (US) government, is that it's an investment of time: you work through the initial red tape, and you get unparalleled job security.

And it doesn't even pay as badly as I think people expect, necessarily. It's not SV money but it's reasonable.

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Something I've never understood about layoffs is that large corporations have nearly unlimited borrowing power. Amazon's market cap is just over $1 trillion, so it could probably borrow up to ~10x or $10 trillion against that (almost half the US GDP). Isn't that enough money to keep employees through a downturn? The flip side is that individuals have almost no borrowing power. The bottom 40% of the US population has…

Why would they keep employees through a downturn? They're profit-driven entities. Of course they're going to dump externalities onto the public any chance they get, and we should strive to limit their capacity to do so... But in this case I'm not sure what you mean exactly? Nor do I understand what you mean about bringing antitrust because of layoffs? That sounds much more difficult to justify than most of the other…

> Why would they keep employees through a downturn? They're profit-driven entities.

Because keeping people paid for a year during a downturn is cheaper than firing them and then rehiring and retraining someone else a year later?

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This is so completely normal in these industries that it is a non-headline. Companies that have so much cash they can employ 100K+ developers on top of goodness knows how many designers, PMs, POs etc. of course they hire and fire. They can afford to offer above-average conditions when the markets need it and everyone goes flocking there only to be surprised when their job is taken away at the next point the sharehold…

Which American company employs 100k+ DEVRLOPERS?

100K is a lot, but JP Morgan has like 50K and they are apparently still expanding aggressively.

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Mass layoffs makes the news because papers depend on sensational headlines, but it's important to put into perspective. > The pandemic produced Amazon’s most profitable era on record ... Amazon doubled its work force in two years, and funneled its winnings into expansion and experimentation to find the next big things. So it doubled its head count in the past 3 years and is now trimming by 3% (or 1% of global). Updat…

Is that "doubled its work force" for the corporate roles or entire amazon?

see edit to my post above

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CarPlay and Siri is a pretty compelling pairing though. Looking/touching is dangerous while driving, so that is minimised by also being able to talk to the robot.

It would be nice were that actually the case. However, in practice, I tend to find that doing most things just using voice with my hands on the wheel and eyes on the road ends up being a really frustrating experience. This isn't a particular knock on Siri specifically. I'm pretty sure I'd find Google or Alexa similarly annoying in the same context. As someone says up-thread, Alexa at home is fine for a few formulaic…

I'm not a big user of Siri, but I've had better luck than you describe. Siri will reliably play songs and podcasts I request; read out text messages; transcribe my response to text messages; and find directions to places. This is about as much as I really want.

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Home Assistant almost goes without saying at this point.

Does it? I walk in tech circles, and actively work for a startup, and I don't think a single person in my circle of friends/coworkers has a Home Assistant setup, and _most_ have either an Alexa or a Google Assistant of some form.

Sure, but you didn't tell me that "no one in my technical circle has proprietary "smart" home automation devices". ;)

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There's a big difference between reducing the number of hourly workers (warehouse, drivers) and cutting 10,000 corporate jobs.

Amazon has something like 100k corporate employees, and their URA targets force managers to PIP approximately 6% of the corporate employees every year, so going from 6% to 10% isn’t exactly a massive change.

This is a reduction of 10% on top of the expected regular attrition (6%).

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Wish I could figure out how to do an Ask HN for non-profit hiring. My previous attempts failed.

Non-profits do layoffs too, unfortunately. In some ways it's almost worse as there's less padding before they're losing money.

Grant funded non profit research is at least pretty predictable. You know you are on a 2-5 year grant and you can help apply for the next one.
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