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I'd be careful about that tweet. It is clear that Tesla competitors (GM, VW) stop funding Musk, but aside from that most big advertisers likely have longer running contracts, so immediate impact is unlikely. By such a statement Musk can however argue that the RIFs are "required"

I work in advertising. It is very typical for big advertisers to have a change of ownership exit clause. It is also very typical for these contracts to only establish the unit rate, but without a required minimum spend amount. The bigger nail in the coffin is IPG recommending their clients pull out; they probably represent a third of F500 ad spend. I would not be surprised if the other three firms in the big four are…

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> One of my hobby horses is pointing out people that bend themselves in knots predicting that Uber will fail tomorrow (still waiting!) because they, personally, _don't_ _like_ Uber. Just 3 days ago, Uber announced another quarterly loss of over $1 billion. They are failing, if you judge by profit and loss.

After billions of quarterly losses, and still kicking around... I would love to fail so...

We're in the year the free money dried up. How long can this last?

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> Sure. QED. But not related to anything I wrote. That just means what you wrote is not related to anything I wrote

I've seen it remarked and it seems generally agreed upon that Twitter was overstaffed. The extent to which that was true is unclear, because whether Twitter's service meaningfully degrades or not remains to be seen. There's an $8 blue subscription being floated, but otherwise, to what extent the new leadership will change the core service remains to be seen. Whether power users sustain a revolt or exodus remains to b…

> You remarked, hyperbolically I'd say, that he speed ran the destruction of a $40 billion-whatever acquisition in mere weeks. That may turn out to be true. But it hasn't happened yet. I think that's because the prognostication around this acquisition has been inflamed by culture war biases.

You have already agreed with me on this in a different comment. The pre Musk version of Twitter no longer exist, it has been destroyed. Musk has destroyed it. Whether or not the brand name of Twitter continues to exist or be popular is yet to be determined but Twitter as we knew it is dead.

The Atari brand name and intellectual property continues to exist but that pioneering video game company hasn't existed for decades

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It’s too early to claim it’s dead but he’s right that it’s a coin toss to see if the service can stay running (without downtime). With 50% layoffs (and the rumors of how lax their security was) it’s only a matter of time before the on-call needed to save some issue won’t exist. A breach or bug or something is inevitable. Remember when meta -a far bigger and richer company- messed up basic networking and took the comp…

You need a few people to maintain the servers, not a few thousand people.

If Twitter never changed the product again, you might be right that they could keep the ship afloat with a skeleton crew. But it doesn’t sound like that’s Musk’s plan. He wants pretty substantial feature changes, which normally means less service stability.

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> One of my hobby horses is pointing out people that bend themselves in knots predicting that Uber will fail tomorrow (still waiting!) because they, personally, _don't_ _like_ Uber. Just 3 days ago, Uber announced another quarterly loss of over $1 billion. They are failing, if you judge by profit and loss.

After billions of quarterly losses, and still kicking around... I would love to fail so...

Nice job if you can get it!

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> But, what is gone? Twitter was a unique spot where journalists, celebrities, titans of industries, your family, friends and co-workers, would join a daily mosh pit filled with a mix of truly important cultural moments and the most inane things you’ve ever seen. [...] Twitter will likely go from Elon’s new toy that is too difficult for him to play with, to being passed on to his legal and finance advisers to sort ou…

>> Twitter was a unique spot where journalists, celebrities, titans of industries, your family, friends and co-workers, would join a daily mosh pit

I served in the mosh pit. I knew the mosh pit. The mosh pit was a friend of mine. Twitter, you're no mosh pit.

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You are just arguing methods, I am arguing absolutes. I have no idea what the best way to achieve peace on an international scale, so my argument is pure because I don't pretend to know.

You're arguing in defense of Musk's proposed peace, others are arguing that his suggestion was not peace, but rather appeasement. We generally know how Chamberlain's whole deal turned out.

All conflict is resolved by appeasement, read up on history. Germany could have kept fighting to the last man, but eventually they appeased the allies in WWII.

All war ends in appeasement.

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Even if you don't think you need that much operations labor at scale (and I'm assuming you are drastically under-estimating Twitter's current scale), when you do a 50% layoff before you even know your exact bus factor and are assuming a 100x/1000x redundancy (somehow), what are the odds you lay off one of those "few" people that are critical to operations? How do you know you haven't thrown out the needles in that bi…

Software engineers: we’re engineers Also software engineers: be sure not to fire Ned or else the whole bridge might collapse

To be fair this is how a lot of industrial engineering works too. Ol joe retired and now we don’t know what’s that special modification we need to make to smooth the flight of planes, cause Joe just knew. This is a lot of military and airplane production.

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I've seen it remarked and it seems generally agreed upon that Twitter was overstaffed. The extent to which that was true is unclear, because whether Twitter's service meaningfully degrades or not remains to be seen. There's an $8 blue subscription being floated, but otherwise, to what extent the new leadership will change the core service remains to be seen. Whether power users sustain a revolt or exodus remains to b…

> You remarked, hyperbolically I'd say, that he speed ran the destruction of a $40 billion-whatever acquisition in mere weeks. That may turn out to be true. But it hasn't happened yet. I think that's because the prognostication around this acquisition has been inflamed by culture war biases. You have already agreed with me on this in a different comment. The pre Musk version of Twitter no longer exist, it has been de…

Twitter is a very successful product, but by most accounts a highly dysfunctional company. They have one hit product, the core microblogging service. It has evolved admirably. But new products and features introduced by Twitter have had chequered success, to be charitable. Promising acquisitions in growth areas (Periscope, Vine) have withered and died under their stewardship.

The value of their core product is not primarily technical but social and cultural, as has been pointed out ad infinitum (the “twitter clone” microblogging weekend project in new language/framework is a cliche). Musk does have the ability to quickly burn that cultural capital. But it’s too early to tell to what extent it will happen, and in what ways it will hurt the service.

Even the most outraged user claims are unreliable. Too many users get too much value out of the professional, cultural and social networks they’ve formed using Twitter. I’ve already read one gloomy, regretful account of migrating to mastodon. There’s a high probability that many of these users, who are loud but unquestionably in the minority, will eventually return after self imposed exile.

Whether the product itself will implode or degrade for technical reasons, very few are in a position to accurately predict.

Comparing Twitter to Atari seems unfair to Atari, a company that had success in several markets and that successfully innovated for a sustained period of time.

I think an instructive comparison may be Musk’s acquisition of The Onion staff, which (according to my memory of the incident) he did primarily out of spite. His attempt to launch a rival humor website with those writers flopped disastrously, and was quickly forgotten. It’s support for the argument that Musk will approach a cultural product with an engineering mindset. But it remains to be seen what, if anything, he learned from that experience.

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> But, what is gone? Twitter was a unique spot where journalists, celebrities, titans of industries, your family, friends and co-workers, would join a daily mosh pit filled with a mix of truly important cultural moments and the most inane things you’ve ever seen. [...] Twitter will likely go from Elon’s new toy that is too difficult for him to play with, to being passed on to his legal and finance advisers to sort ou…

> Regardless of your opinion on Elon, it's simply too early to conclude that this is "likely" to happen, or that all those people will stop using it. Agree. Twitter was a going nowhere dumpster fire before the purchase. It's going to be a bumpy ride, but it could end up better or disappear. Either would be fine with me. Everyone on this site (and even many non-tech people) had their own ideas on how to fix Twitter. I…

> now has a lot of financial incentive to make it function better as a business

Boy that's an understatement. It was already kind of a neutral value shithole, but now he's got to figure out how to wring a profit out of this $45 billion dollar dried up cow. And he's got to do it without his usual trick of nursing from the US government teat. Good luck, Elon. You're gonna need it.

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