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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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I thought moxie moved on from Signal? Is he still in the loop?

The anti-signal crowd loves to blame moxie for everything. Just part of their overall commitment to being fact-free

Moxie was fairly controversial in his stance on several issues. That's not "fact-free".

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all. So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support. if youre a threat-actor the most male…

This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Moxie is no longer active in signal afaik. This is the new leadership.

My grandma uses WhatsApp Web and Facebook hasn't taken down the WhatsApp Web snap yet. Both are end to end encrypted and based on the same transport but one of them used copyright law to take down a redistribution of their application.

Looks to me like Signal is the interior app here.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Signal offers an official deb. The correct behavior would have been for third parties to not distribute trademark-infringing binaries and call them Signal

Binaries are just condensed source code. So when the source code is AGPL I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like.

I think the point is that you can't call it Signal. Is that correct?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes: - No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client - Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers) - Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones wi…

> takes horrible pictures on Android

This is mostly Androids fault... For me, even Whatsapp's built in camera is terrible. When you press the button to take a photo, it starts focussing, then takes a photo before the focussing is done. So every photo taken is reliably blurry. There isn't any way to take a non-blurry photo with the main (back) camera.

The main OS camera app works fine.

I think they have per-device logic for this sort of thing, and mine is an uncommon chinaphone, so presumably they haven't tuned the logic for it.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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How in the world did a walled garden ecosystem like Snap manage to embed itself so deeply into Linux culture? There needs to be a user and industry revolt against Snap for this sort of shenanigans.

The same was systemd did? The force of a multi-billion dollar company, where profit is far more important than doing it right? Linux and OSS software became what it is, became the stable, secure powerhouse it is, literally dominating every aspect of computing, because profit was originally less important. Look at Debian, which only ships when ready, and never ever to a fixed deadline. Yet today, almost all private co…

So, do you think the adoption of systemd was motivated to a great extent by the influence of commercial companies' interest? Would you say that's true for distributions like Debian, which you gave as an example?

I'm not being facetious, it's just that this aspect has not been described to me so far, IIRC.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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What this is is also another reason not to use Snap. This is a multi-level failure. 1. Signal-Desktop is AGPLv3: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop 2. The snap package metadata is AGPLv3: https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop So, this looks like a fraudulent DMCA claim by Signal, as the snap package maintainers and Canonicial have an open source license! This shows malice by Signal. 3. No-one from C…

AGPLv3 does not somehow permit trademark violations. Signal has taken issue with third parties building binaries and calling them Signal, and I can’t really blame them. This is the same reason Signal isn’t in F-Droid

And the DMCA is about copyright. Where's trademark mentioned?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Binaries are just condensed source code. So when the source code is AGPL I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like.

I think the point is that you can't call it Signal. Is that correct?

Yup, also can’t really prove it came from the same source code.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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The anti-signal crowd loves to blame moxie for everything. Just part of their overall commitment to being fact-free

Moxie was fairly controversial in his stance on several issues. That's not "fact-free".

Moxie is no longer involved in Signal. Blaming him for things Signal does now is pretty free of fact

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes: - No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client - Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers) - Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones wi…

Backups work fine on my Android phone. They consistently go to a folder and Syncthing backs them up from there.

Also no problems with it not ringing, Signal is actually the primary way that my family calls each other now and no one has experienced it not ringing when expected.

The rest I admittedly dont use or arent impacted by.

While its not perfect in all ways, I disagree with the "alpha" quality sentiment. Especially when you are comparing it to apps that dont have the same security goals or standards.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Signal offers an official deb. The correct behavior would have been for third parties to not distribute trademark-infringing binaries and call them Signal

Binaries are just condensed source code. So when the source code is AGPL I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like.

> I sure as hell can distribute binaries if I like

As far as I understood the argument, you're free to distribute binaries, you just can't call them "Signal", since it's a trademarked name (?).

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