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It used to be that back when local cops cared about property crime this was standard operating procedure. When I was a kid if you etched a serial number into your bike frame and parts and registered it with the local PD you were practically assured you’d get your bike back when it inevitably showed up at a pawn shop or similar.
Why was property crime much higher back then? We’re at historic lows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring
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#213I may be misreading this but the margins look insane. DG Auto paid like 38 million USD for stolen converters, performed a simple extraction process, then sold the precious metals for 550 million USD. Wow.
Wow. I googled DG Auto, and they even have an app for thieves to check prices. https://dgauto.app/ Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts...
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Where I live they don't even send police for non-injury accidents anymore. Even if there's a hit and run no police get sent. Property crimes don't matter anymore. When my friends got their catalytic converters stolen the police never even bothered to show up. Taking statements may not get their cats back, but it goes towards building up a large enough case to justify a unit to handle it. You are correct though. Our D…
SF recalled their supposedly "not hard on crime" DA, mostly because he offended the local Asian voters, but the new supposedly "hard on crime" DA in practice doesn't seem to be having much effect. Similarly Chesa didn't oversee Oakland or any other nearby areas but I've still seen people who live there blame things on him. People generally have no idea how much crime there is. If you asked most people which of NYC an…
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It’s not murder if it’s legal. Just like killing in war isn’t murder. The guy stealing your catalytic converters defiantly deserves it more than the random dude in Iraq.
Don't kill anyone who is not trying to murder you. If you catch someone stealing your catalyst, you use your weapon to deter a violent action of his part, not to stop the theft by murdering him. The fact that he is willing to disregard societal property norms, already flags him as potentially dangerous, s he might enforce his criminal difference of opinion by using violence. That is why security is armed; Not to shoo…
The fact that people keep talking about gun ownership in Texas like it's a deterrent is odd. It's not like the criminals don't have weapons too.
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#216Washington State passed laws targeting businesses that would buy catalytic converters that are basically KYC laws requiring ID and other stuff. Anecdotally it seems to have reduced the number of reports on the local news blog and nextdoor.
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Yeah, it definitely depends on the context. If someone stole my bag from my car they'd get a few ml of insulin which is practically worthless to them, but is absolutely necessary for me. If you don't mind my asking, what medication do you take?
I’d prefer not to say. HN has a no deletion policy after two hours, so I’m more cautious here than on other forums.
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DG Auto is a nation wide operation. They aren't sending the contents of the cats over 1 cat at a time. It's not really reasonable to hold the refinery at fault, they were working with another major business dealing in large numbers. DG Auto is the right place to hit because they knew they were getting $38 million dollars of cats from 1 family and an unlicensed business (that family is also getting prosecuted). You wo…
> It's not really reasonable to hold the refinery at fault Why not? They accepted $500mil of stolen property. It's only fair to take at least as much from them. "I didn't know" is not an excuse. If you buy stolen car it will be taken away from you. You pay for your mistake and buying stolen goods is a mistake.
6. If any one steal the property of a temple or of the court, he shall be put to death, and also the one who receives the stolen thing from him shall be put to death.
9. If any one lose an article, and find it in the possession of another: if the person in whose possession the thing is found say "A merchant sold it to me, I paid for it before witnesses," and if the owner of the thing say, "I will bring witnesses who know my property," then shall the purchaser bring the merchant who sold it to him, and the witnesses before whom he bought it, and the owner shall bring witnesses who can identify his property. The judge shall examine their testimony--both of the witnesses before whom the price was paid, and of the witnesses who identify the lost article on oath. The merchant is then proved to be a thief and shall be put to death. The owner of the lost article receives his property, and he who bought it receives the money he paid from the estate of the merchant.
10. If the purchaser does not bring the merchant and the witnesses before whom he bought the article, but its owner bring witnesses who identify it, then the buyer is the thief and shall be put to death, and the owner receives the lost article.
But that's not how the law works in America. They have to prove the person had actual knowledge the property was stolen or should have known it was stolen. In this case it's easy because they had informants representing the property was stolen and the buyers still completed the sale. That's not always the case and can make these kinds of prosecutions harder. Cars are a little different because they are titled which makes disputes over ownership a lot more clear cut. And how was the refinery supposed to know to begin with? They never touched catalytic converters, they just got the metal powder from DG Auto. DG Auto was paid by wire transfer and from their perspective was probably not much different from any of their other scrap metal suppliers.Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring
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> They should also consider targeting and auditing shops that buy used car parts. Making it extremely difficult to fence these things will be practical and useful because they aren't sold and reused as is California just passed a law to this end, which is pretty straightforward and effectively turns the grey market into a black market. A black market will still exist, but it will be a lot harder for legitimate junkya…
Mexico -> New Mexico, right?
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#220Washington State passed laws targeting businesses that would buy catalytic converters that are basically KYC laws requiring ID and other stuff. Anecdotally it seems to have reduced the number of reports on the local news blog and nextdoor.
When did that happen? A friend of mine had one stolen from next to our place just a few months ago.