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American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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That's all the media and the politicians are ever talking about: the things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That's the way the ruling class operates in any society: they try to divide the rest of the people; they keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they, the rich, can run off with all the fucking money. Fairly simple thing... happens to work. You kn…

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Has that actually ever been a reliable truth, or are people finally waking up to the fact that it never really was?

Of course it's the truth. Success does not just fall into anyone's lap, save a very few minority of cases that get trumpeted as-if they're normal. There are no shortcuts. Hard work and persistence are what is required to be successful in this country - full stop. And hard work doesn't mean you sweat more... There is no system or mechanism in America that prevents a poor child from growing up into one of the nation's…

This doesn't prove anything, you're just telling me the same story in a different way with a dollop of "if you're not rich it's because you're lazy".

> There is no system or mechanism in America that prevents a poor child from growing up into one of the nation's wealthiest or most powerful.

How is that different from most other western countries?

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Here in Texas, any student from the top 10% of their high school is guaranteed a place at the flagship University of Texas at Austin. This is widely understood to be a form of affirmative action. Naturally, high schools in underprivileged areas - rural or urban - will produce students who are nowhere nearly as prepared as students from elite or wealthy schools. We ignore that difference as a policy matter. Top 10% is…

On this particular issue of college accessibility to high-achieving underprivileged kids, Texas is the most progressive state in the US.

Name a "progressive" state that comes even close.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Here in Texas, any student from the top 10% of their high school is guaranteed a place at the flagship University of Texas at Austin. This is widely understood to be a form of affirmative action. Naturally, high schools in underprivileged areas - rural or urban - will produce students who are nowhere nearly as prepared as students from elite or wealthy schools. We ignore that difference as a policy matter. Top 10% is…

I remembered hearing an NPR report about that. There was also something about success rates being higher because they were in the top 10% of the high school, rather than top 10% overall. Students were also given more mentoring, and some of them catch up.

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These sorts of quotas generally do nothing but paper over the fundamental problems and truths that affect various groups. It's a way of concealing failures of education and culture. By making admissions blind to anything but merit (we can talk about how to define merit, of course), it forces people earlier in the chain of causes to confront failure close to home. By keeping responsible parties in the hot seat, you stand a better chance of fixing bad schools and bad cultural norms and accepting truths that those lacking in humility have a hard time swallowing. (Politicians get elected by flattering their base, of course...)

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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I'm sure it is complicated. But these effects are well studied and I'm sure these institutions have plenty of sociologists that could help come up with some models that work at least as good as stereotyping based on skin color. The idea that generalizing based on race is just easier leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Why do we tell racists that they shouldn't prejudge people based on race at the same time that people wi…

There was a study I saw as an undergrad that used all the standard factors and also used zip code -- and that worked surprisingly well to explain a lot of the differences. But using race rather than zip code, actually was still better -- and of course zip code may well have simply been a race proxy. I think zip code though will likely be more satisfying to people. Although the conservative wing of the supreme court h…

Zip code can absolutely be a proxy for race.

There’s a reason that banks have compliance departments that have to review any statistical models inputs and assumptions for implicit violations of the Fair Lending / Fair Housing acts.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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That's all the media and the politicians are ever talking about: the things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That's the way the ruling class operates in any society: they try to divide the rest of the people; they keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they, the rich, can run off with all the fucking money. Fairly simple thing... happens to work. You kn…

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Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Here in Texas, any student from the top 10% of their high school is guaranteed a place at the flagship University of Texas at Austin. This is widely understood to be a form of affirmative action. Naturally, high schools in underprivileged areas - rural or urban - will produce students who are nowhere nearly as prepared as students from elite or wealthy schools. We ignore that difference as a policy matter. Top 10% is…

The top 10% of the good high schools don't go to University of Texas

Who cares? It's a perfectly good school.

Re: American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

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Here in Texas, any student from the top 10% of their high school is guaranteed a place at the flagship University of Texas at Austin. This is widely understood to be a form of affirmative action. Naturally, high schools in underprivileged areas - rural or urban - will produce students who are nowhere nearly as prepared as students from elite or wealthy schools. We ignore that difference as a policy matter. Top 10% is…

Sounds like an awful and completely unfair system that is working to undermine quality of higher education.
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