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Re: Fake Books

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Post by lethrowchuck »

residualmind wrote: post #126

Even human-written content has become so bad it's sometimes hard to tell it apart from a Mark V. Shaney or Racter implementation. I mean, aren't our brains' language capabilites not just Markov chains on steroids, with billions and billions of inputs and weights? Why are we still using text-based content-generation algorithms? Can't we train some kind of AI to generate "good" fiction content? Like, for example, this:…

> I mean, aren't our brains' language capabilities not just Markov chains on steroids, with billions and billions of inputs and weights?

The word "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Yes, our language capabilities are just Markov chains - the way engineering is just constrained nonlinear optimization and playing games is just tree traversal.

Re: Fake Books

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Post by nullc »

aaronharnly wrote: post #207
garyrob wrote: post #206

I would like to mention the concept of "Soulbound Tokens" as a way of attacking this problem. This is the subject of a paper this year by Vitalik Buterin (founder of Ethereum), E. Glen Weyl (economist/researcher at Microsoft Research) and Puja Ohlhaver. Here's the abstract: """ Web3 today centers around expressing transferable, financialized assets, rather than encoding social relationships of trust. Yet many core ec…

I honestly can’t tell if this abstract is also GPT-3 generated.

https://archive.org/details/EtherealVerses

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Post by marcosdumay »

protontorpedo wrote: post #38
gzer0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an ideal world, I would hope for your statement to be correct. However, our society has changed the value of recognizing duty to recognizing choice. As long as individuals are aware of the choice they are making, they are justified. The fear of truth is caused by the following dilemma: either you choose for yourself or someone else will choose for you. Because of this fear, choosing correctly becomes less importan…

I'm pretty sure this comment was generated by a language model. If that's the case, congratulations.

At the 20th Century, when we got a book from some philosopher entirely written on this style, we didn't have to wonder that.

Those were simpler times.

Re: Fake Books

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Post by ilyt »

f311a wrote: post #63

Amazon is full of fake/generated/auto translated books in every category. Just search for any programming language and sort it by release date. I don't understand why they don't fix this problem. It's pretty easy to fix and all those sales don't generate a significant amount of revenue for Amazon considering the negative experience for clients. Such books are pretty easy to spot since the majority of reviews are writ…

They don't give a shit as long as it's moving volume.

Tools on amazon have same problem, so many fakes, they get reported and company just pops up with different name.

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Post by lupire »

kayxspre wrote: post #167
derefr wrote: post #46

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> Except what the Mikkelson Twins actually make money on is selling you on a “money making course” where they tell you to do the above. So there’s all kinds of people trying to follow this method out there, it seems. How do people still become wealthy selling "money making courses", when enough people have created "money making courses" that they are, themselves, a commodity?

Probably because the ultimate end of these course isn't to make money by yourself, but by engaging in an MLM and let it work. There's a company engaging in MLM sales paying some news agencies to promote its scheme every day during the news (a subtle sponsor, so to speak; it's on regular TV so SponsorBlock won't help). As my family watched the news from this channel often, I would recognize how it works. It would prom…

John Oliver (just the presenter, ha!) on Last Week Tonight also did an episode about easy it is for a scam to get a fawning advertorial piece on local TV news segments.

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Post by lupire »

hex4def6 wrote: post #80
derefr wrote: post #46

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> Except what the Mikkelson Twins actually make money on is selling you on a “money making course” where they tell you to do the above. So there’s all kinds of people trying to follow this method out there, it seems. How do people still become wealthy selling "money making courses", when enough people have created "money making courses" that they are, themselves, a commodity?

What gets me is; if this was a money making opportunity, and it truly is as simple as they make it out to be, aren’t they literally creating their own competitors in this space by revealing their secret? I’m sure the argument is something like “the market is so vast, that helping others do the same won’t affect my income stream”, but that suggests The correct answer is to scale up, not populate the landscape with com…

They are so rich that they are retired but want to pay it forward. But it's not free because they only want to teach people who take it seriously and respect the idea.

Re: Fake Books

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Post by derefr »

latexr wrote: post #168
derefr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Except what the Mikkelson Twins actually make money on is selling you on a “money making course” where they tell you to do the above. So there’s all kinds of people trying to follow this method out there, it seems. How do people still become wealthy selling "money making courses", when enough people have created "money making courses" that they are, themselves, a commodity?

As the saying goes, there’s a sucker born every minute¹. An important feature of these scams is to frame success and failure as being entirely in your hands: it’s not the system’s fault that you didn’t achieve success, it’s yours and yours alone, you didn’t want it bad enough. Someone who falls in that hole is bound to do it again, this time for a different grift which looks easier. They’ll do as much as it takes unt…

Oh, no, I do get why people would buy into money-making courses. I'm basically wondering why the market for money-making courses isn't a winner-take-all market, with the wealthiest course-creators spending their advertising budgets (that they earned by building their money-making-course empire when the field was more green) to outcompete upstarts in the money-making course market. Presumably, people can only be actively trying the techniques of one of these courses at a time — so why aren't most people focused on learning + putting into practice, the techniques of a few very popular courses?

Re: Fake Books

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Post by lupire »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #139
elefanten wrote: post #114

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Corporate strategy consulting. 1 day to write 5k-10k words on a topic you have to research from scratch is not uncommon. It's all within a broad field of expertise and a sector you're familiar with, but could be products / companies / deals you'd never heard of. I think the point here was that the ghostwriting is of really low quality. Overnight 10k reports are never groundbreaking or enlightening additions to human…

Are those 5k-10k words completely new, or are document templates part of this count? I know from experience (of on-line commenting; don't judge) this word count is entirely possible to achieve, but I can't imagine sustaining it long-term, as a part of a job.

Rocket Lawyer (computerized legal doc-writing services) generates thousands of words per day, for one customer, on demand, easily.

Just choose the templates and fill in your names and numbers.

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Post by rideontime »

coldtea wrote: post #120
RF_Savage wrote: post #112

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I think NKRFZ had a video about a weird genre of pro-war fiction that is published en mass in Russia and promoted quite alot, but which does not really sell.

Pro-war fiction? That's like the standard movie for several decades from Rambo to Michael Bay's epics and Top Gun Maverick, and in movie form that has far wider appeal, 10000x the audiences, and is way more glamorous! "weird pro war fiction" would be very low in effectiveness...

michael bay and top gun, sure, but rambo? I don't remember that having a particularly pro-war attitude.
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