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Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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anti-fragility, permission to fail, rapid iteration basically risk isn't controversial, and it rapidly iterates to more and more resilient systems

"The problem is you can lose access to your emails at any time." "Use web3 - then when you lose access to all your emails it's the system working as intended!"

when you get to the System Design interview, they'll be expecting a different model of application than your design written here

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Unpopular on HN, but I just don't see a problem with Google having my email, for what they provide me. Almost unlimited uptime, global redundancy, best search experience, storage all for free. I'm ok with the trade off for now. Its just not worth the hassle.

Isn't the point of the article that as a non-user of gmail you can't opt out of giving google all your email? It's nice that you get a service for providing your emails to google, but what do I get?

I mean, that's the whole point of communications though, isn't it? If I tell you something, you can do that you like with that information - tell someone else, hand it to a state government, publish it in a paper, or just upload it to the servers of a corporation that I dislike. If you don't trust what other people are doing with your data, you can freely choose not to give them your data - albeit perhaps by giving up some of your communication methods and making your life somewhat more complex.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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> "Let your mind run circles around your fears and you’ll find out how little that email account owns you." This year I have recieved an email from a city councill if a city where I no longer live, that were about to sue me for underpaying some bill years ago. If I followed your advise I would be on the hook for serous money and headache

That email could have been sitting in your junk folder for all you know. Even with access to your account it would have been a dumb way to serve someone a summons. Following my advice or not, email could have still fucked you.

it wasn't a summons, it was a pre-action letter.

I agree its dumb, but they didn't exactly ask my opinion, did they?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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What does Ethereum Name Service have to do with email domains? How does one receive email from e.g. one's bank, at a Handshake domain? The "real world" in which Handshake and ENS are useful isn't the world I'm living in.

All you need is to have DNS servers reading ENS' equivalent of MX records. Failing that, you can even have that implemented at the email client or OS level.

Sorry, but that seems to require that my bank and all my friends adopt some skanky modified DNS resolver. Is that right? How exactly does that benefit them?

And the alternative you're suggesting is that they replace their OS, or adopt some mutant mail client? Few of my friends have ever used a proper email client at all. And which alternative OS implements this? And again, what incentive do my correspondents have to switch OS?

Really, if this is "all I need", it's clearly not a proposal that has much to do with the real world.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Unpopular on HN, but I just don't see a problem with Google having my email, for what they provide me. Almost unlimited uptime, global redundancy, best search experience, storage all for free. I'm ok with the trade off for now. Its just not worth the hassle.

What made me switch from Gmail is stories of people losing their entire account overnight with no possible appeal process due to an algorithm deciding there was suspicious activity.

> What made me switch from Gmail is stories

Yeah, pretty much. Anecdata is the bane of everything big. In a country of 330M people, you'll have a horrific murder every week. You have a billion email users, someone's going to have trouble.

You do realize that, realistically, it's probably more likely that Fastmail will fail, or you'll accidentally lose control of your own domain (or have it stolen) than that Google or Microsoft or Yahoo will "lose your account overnight". There are "stories" about startups failing and domain troubles too.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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post #158

Unpopular on HN, but I just don't see a problem with Google having my email, for what they provide me. Almost unlimited uptime, global redundancy, best search experience, storage all for free. I'm ok with the trade off for now. Its just not worth the hassle.

What made me switch from Gmail is stories of people losing their entire account overnight with no possible appeal process due to an algorithm deciding there was suspicious activity.

Do you happen to have any actual cases you can point me to? I see this all the time in HN but it's never beyond "a buddy of mine said that he didn't do anything wrong and somehow they got locked out forever with no recourse".

Or it's someone saying that happened to themselves, and then they say they never did anything bad with their gmail. Which may or may not be true?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Is it known that domain registrars are better than GMail in this regard? Not asking sarcastically, but I had my domain taken over by registrar(not released to public, just registrar took control of it) after few week of notice when auto renew failed to charge my credit card, and my credit card was working fine elsewhere. Also many registrar like Namecheap cancelled subscription for Russian customers during this invas…

Now you know why there are still some people that still take "web3" seriously. It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Seriously, ENS and Handshake alone should be enough of a reason to silence all of those who keep repeating "but blockchain has no real world applications".

For the sake of argument, let's say that all email was hosted on ENS. Let's say that somebody, doesn't matter who, went ahead and forked the chain into ENS'. We now have two disconnected chains, ENS and ENS'. If I were to buy a domain on ENS', i would not also own the domain on ENS, so someone else buys that. Who now receives the mail sent to that domain?

If your choice in any way depends on the configuration of the mail server then your decentralized system has accomplished absolutely nothing, because the mail provider is still the gatekeeper.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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anti-fragility, permission to fail, rapid iteration basically risk isn't controversial, and it rapidly iterates to more and more resilient systems

“Permission to fail” is a desirable property in a research setting, not a global name service. This justification is in tension with the one offered above, and there’s been no evidence so far that “web3” is becoming more resilient instead of less resilient.

Not all products are suited for all market participants. Figure out where you are on the gradient and act accordingly.

Ethereum Name Service was launched in May 2017, there are many name service competitors.

> and there’s been no evidence so far that “web3” is becoming more resilient instead of less resilient.

based on? some frequency of a type of headline you saw? quantified against..... anything?

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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Now you know why there are still some people that still take "web3" seriously. It's the only system where you are not at the mercy of some external entity to be always benevolent. Seriously, ENS and Handshake alone should be enough of a reason to silence all of those who keep repeating "but blockchain has no real world applications".

For the sake of argument, let's say that all email was hosted on ENS. Let's say that somebody , doesn't matter who, went ahead and forked the chain into ENS'. We now have two disconnected chains, ENS and ENS'. If I were to buy a domain on ENS', i would not also own the domain on ENS, so someone else buys that. Who now receives the mail sent to that domain? If your choice in any way depends on the configuration of the…

That has so many misunderstandings about how internet protocols and cryptography works, I don't even know where to start responding.

Re: Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

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That email could have been sitting in your junk folder for all you know. Even with access to your account it would have been a dumb way to serve someone a summons. Following my advice or not, email could have still fucked you.

it wasn't a summons, it was a pre-action letter. I agree its dumb, but they didn't exactly ask my opinion, did they?

No, it sucks. A summons usually requires them to serve it for-sure somehow (in-person or someone in your home that accepts it for you).

They had no idea where you were, so you fell for the pre-action letter. They would have never gone through the trouble of where-in-America—are-you to sue you.

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