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The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by eternalban »

xyzzyz wrote: post #195
gurumeditations wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s ridiculous. I hope you experience the other side of the coin, where you are contrary to social harmony, perhaps because of your race, romance, gender, class, etc. Just because evil is widespread doesn’t normalize it and make it ok. There are even lots of protests in China, but the dictatorships have always limited their spread, more so today.

As US is becoming less Europeanized, less Anglo, less liberal, through the large scale population replacement, you yourself will get to experience what it’s like to live in a society that values the liberal values much less than the people who founded and built this country.

Liberal values developed over time in course of which many tears were shed and much blood was spilled. In Europe and also here. [In other words, not 'innate' to the Europeans.]

I think your prognosis (which comes across as fear actually) may come to pass, but it will not be because US population is no longer primarily of European stock (some word!)

The primary driver has always been and remains culture. And culture in our age is an industry. And industry is subject to law & market. Liberal values are eroded because of the cultural content that undermine its validity and appeal. Non-Europeans will respond, I assure you, just as readily to formative cultural forces that engender an appreciation for liberal values, as do their "Anglo" fellow citizens. Likewise, both Anglos and the rest of us will also respond accordingly to cultural forces that are otherwise.

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Post by pas »

throwawayallday wrote: post #175
ghusto wrote: post #105

I'm writing this as an Iranian immigrant, and feel compelled to say so because it is apparently and depressingly necessary in order to lend legitimacy to my statements (though I don't think it does). The idea that a white American can't understand non-white non-American views, makes the same amount of sense the other way around. Both ways around need a great deal of research by the ones trying to understand, and I be…

Luckily you posted this anonymously because if your name was ever tied to a comment like this, you'd face the wrath of the woke mob. Your comment is extremely benign as far as "right-wing" comments go, but if you would've posted this on your company Slack, you'd be crucified. Thank you for posting this. Many of us agree with you.

why is that's a right-wing comment? :o

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Post by seanhunter »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #117
seanhunter wrote: post #88

This framing of protest as "cancellation" in the context of supporting free speech is something I find perculiar. Surely protest is speech? If that is the case then if you support free speech you must logically support both the right to the original speech and the right of others to protest that speech. When people say that people signed a letter denouncing the documentary without seeing it that's a little bit wide o…

You are doing the very thing you're criticizing here. Freedom of speech apparently includes making a movie, protesting that movie (both true) but not counter-protesting.

You've drawn that inference completely without support from what I wrote. I wholeheartedly support the movie, the protests about the movie and the protests about the protests about the movie. I don't agree with this categorization of protest as somehow different from the original expression in terms of free speech protection.

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Post by screye »

layer8 wrote: post #164
ghusto wrote: post #105

I'm writing this as an Iranian immigrant, and feel compelled to say so because it is apparently and depressingly necessary in order to lend legitimacy to my statements (though I don't think it does). The idea that a white American can't understand non-white non-American views, makes the same amount of sense the other way around. Both ways around need a great deal of research by the ones trying to understand, and I be…

Even if the film was made by a non-white non-American muslim, the implication of their reasoning would be that any white/American/non-muslim wouldn’t be able to properly understand the film. This comes close to denying that there can ever be an understanding between cultures at all.

It is peculiar how the segregationist isolationists and cancel-culture-peddlers use exactly the same lines of reasoning, while 1 gets tagged as racist and the other a radically anti-racist.

It is about time for people to look at the core ethics that guide either thought and at least draw the association between the two. What to name this collective community is anyone's guess, but at least the cognitive dissonance will be gone.

To aspire to understand each other is at the core of facilitating diversity and inclusion. That includes asking stupid questions, difficult questions and sometimes offensive questions. It includes tolerating faux pas and cultural appropriation.

And lastly, it requires treating other communities with the capacity for occasionally just as much good and at other times just as much malice as any other community suffering from the human condition.

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Post by yellowapple »

layer8 wrote: post #164
ghusto wrote: post #105

I'm writing this as an Iranian immigrant, and feel compelled to say so because it is apparently and depressingly necessary in order to lend legitimacy to my statements (though I don't think it does). The idea that a white American can't understand non-white non-American views, makes the same amount of sense the other way around. Both ways around need a great deal of research by the ones trying to understand, and I be…

Even if the film was made by a non-white non-American muslim, the implication of their reasoning would be that any white/American/non-muslim wouldn’t be able to properly understand the film. This comes close to denying that there can ever be an understanding between cultures at all.

It's what happens when one's multiculturalism integer-overflows into becoming outright segregationism.

We need more dialogue between cultures, not less.

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Post by rosnd »

nailer wrote: post #188
rosnd wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is not advocating for political violence? Huh. Well, I guess that's debatable. I'd argue that his election related claims are exactly that, if the elections are fraudulent what alternatives are there to solve that but violence? What other alternative could there be if the other party has truly pulled off such a coup? Trump also pushes extreme religious views, such as abortion bans (In fact, he claims the aborti…

By that novel standard anyone else with an equally ridiculous conspiracy is calling for violence. Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence. Neither situation is how the far right, eg the BNP or German neo nazi groups would operate.

> Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence.

I don't understand that one. It's normal to collude with third parties to win elections.

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Post by goodpoint »

nailer wrote: post #115
goodpoint wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is provably false. The nazi imprisoned and even exterminated socialists and communists as soon as they could.

I don’t follow your logic- my statement was that that the nazis openly considered themselves socialists and class warfare was a huge part of nazi ideology. Your state that’s probably false - but then don’t prove either of those statements false. It’s entirely possible to fight between factions of the same side of politics.

Both the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists.

This is proven by numerous quotes from mussolini, hitler, various party members and verified by historians.

The fact that both fascists and nazi imprisoned, tortured and killed socialists and communists (again, widely proven by historians) is perfectly aligned with that.

Additionally, both fascists and nazi never implemented policies or took actions that would be aligned with socialism.

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Post by MarkMarine »

nailer wrote: post #177
MarkMarine wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hacker news not Facebook. If you want to argue politics go there.

Political discussion is allowed by the HN guidelines and I’m responding to something you brought up, newcomer.

You’re just spitting out agitprop with no underlying point except “left bad.” It’s not well thought out or discussed with room to agree or disagree, or even based in fact, you’re basically just shouting into the void about something you don’t like. That brings down the level of discourse here, and belongs on Facebook where you can share memes with a bunch of smooth brained people that agree with you.

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Post by m_mueller »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #32
prng2021 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost stopped listening pretty early on because she was all over the place with her talking points, but am really glad I listened to the end. It was a fascinating and moving story.

She came off as a truly one-in-a-million character that you would only expect to read about in works of fiction. Very genuine as well.

My BS sensors have started tingeling when she started talking about her kidnapping in Colombia. Is this for real?

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Post by nailer »

MarkMarine wrote: post #218
nailer wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political discussion is allowed by the HN guidelines and I’m responding to something you brought up, newcomer.

You’re just spitting out agitprop with no underlying point except “left bad.” It’s not well thought out or discussed with room to agree or disagree, or even based in fact, you’re basically just shouting into the void about something you don’t like. That brings down the level of discourse here, and belongs on Facebook where you can share memes with a bunch of smooth brained people that agree with you.

> it’s not even based on fact

Pardon? What specifically of the very specific, widely accepted points of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33215270 was not based in fact?

If you think my points are issues with the mainstream left rather than the far left I don’t think you’ve been reading the posts you keep writing replies to.

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