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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by hotpotamus »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

I mean, if you hate Apple and Google, you don't have a whole lot of other options. I'm vaguely aware of some competitors, but they're quite obscure. And I don't think going without a smartphone is all that feasible either these days.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

nordsieck wrote: post #113
twobitshifter wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

> Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you combine the SE with the local used market, it can get extremely inexpensive. I'm currently rocking an SEv2 that I got for $150. I'm not saying that $150 is cheap objectively, but in relation to Android phones - even used ones - it stands up pretty well. This is especially true since Apple supports phones for so long. If you're cost constrained, you can spread the cost of a pho…

But with Android you get much more features for the money. All Android phones are bezelless for instance, even the cheapest budget phone. The SE still rocks the iPhone 8 design from 2017 with all its drawbacks.

Personally I don't use Apple because I have far too many things I can't do on it (mostly due to their restrictions in the app store, like using open PGP keys over NFC). But if I did I'd never consider the SE.

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Post by rejectfinite »

cercatrova wrote: post #182
frant-hartm wrote: post #46

When I was a teenager and mobile phones became widely available everyone had Nokia, Siemens or Sony-Ericsson, depending on how well-off the family was, it was either the old or new model. But we customized the phones as much as we could - custom ring melodies, screensavers, custom covers, if the phone didn't allow that then at least some stickers. Everyone wanted to be unique, go against the social norm. Android phon…

Messaging network effects, if you're in an iMessage conversation and an Android user joins, suddenly the conversation becomes SMS only with photo and video sending being crippled. Its the same as a social network, if all your friends use it, you almost have to in order to communicate with them.

They don't use FB Messenger, Discord, Telegram, Whatsapp? People are really out here using the default sms app? lmao

Not a thing here, but we do love to ape america so its comming. Its gonna be one shows ppl whatch and then its over.

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Post by recursive »

autoexec wrote: post #52
ceejayoz wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was fixed last year. https://www.androidpolice.com/google-messages-might-soon-han...

That's only if you're using google's SMS app. Many phones ship with something else (like Samsung's) as the default.

That finally explains why I saw so many articles about how "Google fixed iphone responses on Android", but I never saw any evidence for it on mine.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

Invictus0 wrote: post #91
chenshuiluke wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why go to such lengths to monitor your 16yo?

I have a friend attending Stanford for undergrad whose parents monitor his location 24/7, and another dealing with the same nonsense at BU. If she wanders too far from the places she's supposed to be, she gets an angry call from parents/her long distance bf (who is also in on it somehow). I guess even that isn't that bad compared to the parents that literally move across the country to wherever their kid is going to…

A bit like house arrest then.

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Post by bragr »

CollinEMac wrote: post #71
bragr wrote: post #53

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A lot of kids got oculus quests for christmas/birthday but I suspect many collect dust. Some sort of daily or weekly active user stats for teens using VR would probably be a better indicator.

From the same line: "Weekly usage of VR devices moved to 14% from 17% last Spring;"

Ah yeah. So then in the neighborhood of 40-50% collect dust. Not terrible, not great (for VR companies).

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by vyrotek »

Our whole family and extended family only have Android. Our kids all get the free Android phones.

As for me and my house, we shall never own Apple products.

People can get what they like, but I struggle with the cognitive dissonance of "Everyone should just get iPhones, it'd make everything easier" and "Oh no why is acting evil with their monopoly?!". I like choices. I wish Windows Phones could have stuck around longer.

We'll ultimately get what we deserve as consumers. Is it any surprise FB wants to be the Apple of VR? We've shown we like our cozy premium walled gardens and are willing to be abused.

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Post by pessimizer »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #143
JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

Jesus. I know it's off-topic and things differ across cultures or whatever, but I remember moving out of home to go to university at 16. The idea that there are parents out there doing stuff like monitoring their kids' internet connections at that age is almost inconceivable to me.

I think we should evaluate that stuff based on the outcomes, not just on assuming our personal culture as a norm. I moved out to live with friends at 15. Wouldn't say it was the greatest idea, although I wouldn't change it. I have also met Indian guys whose parents are all the way up their asses at least until they're into their 20s, and as far as I can tell it results in a good degree, good employment, and early marriage.

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Post by bink »

hn_saver wrote: post #183
asciimov wrote: post #129

Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…

You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

They had a choice between slowing the device or providing a substandard user experience when the old battery couldn't keep up and the phone shut down. I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize Apple but I have no idea why people have latched onto this obviously false narrative.
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