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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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It can mean that or more likely means "We have gone past the usefulness of async short texts as a means of conversations." Text/tweets are useful but are sub optimal for actually discussing stuff like this. Voice is so much better in this case.

What? I've literally never felt this way. Every time someone wanted to have a call with me, it was so they could push me into something with their whining, or so they could misinterpret what was said without me being able to point at a timestamped sentence. For these reasons I always refuse calls about anything important - and never had any problems solving various business issues over text. How specifically is text…

Sounds like you’re surrounded by toxic people, likely as a result of this attitude.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Decentralization has never worked in human history beyond hunter gatherers. It’s continually amazing to me that people listen to people like Musk and Dorsey as if they have a clue they know what they’re talking about. You can tell they have full confidence that they do, trapped in their bubble of fame.

Because centralization works REALLY well, right? That's why the US practices decentralized command, that's why centralized economies have been so successful. This idea that decentralization has never worked is insane.

That's always an important question to ask when we discuss new ideas. New ideas doesn't arise for no reason. There are problems and people will ignore (not negate) them to defend the status quo when discussing alternative paths. As always, the truth lies somewhere between and that's why we love HN. We're not twitter.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk…

You forgot the bit where you inherit an apartheid emerald fortune.

So your assertion is that people who start with capital, always succeed, irrespective of the parent's statement?

Because loads of people have a leg up, and go absolutely no where.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I don't find it hilarious. It is rather sad that stupid people who know nothing about physics, end up billionaires through tech companies/innocations, while physics genius like you remain anonymous on the internet.

Can you be more specific? You're talking about a guy who was able to make a company that returned a booster 14 times back to Earth. Physicists and engineers that tried before him couldn't make it. Not even John Carmack could. How come Musk is so stupid if he's done it when others couldn't? (yes I know he's not the engineer turning the bolts on the rocket. There's incredible value in good management and leadership, th…

I think you didn't get the sarcasm in my comment...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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It’s pretty hard for even CEOs to control direction sometimes especially in big companies. A company is like a cthonic beast with many writhing tentacles that is in fact composed of thousands of cats. A black mass of cats, writhing, seeking, crawling toward anything that will increase its share price or get a cat promoted…

A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

Founder and CEO are different. If you are an external CEO dropped into a company your allegiances might align more with shareholders/board.

Dorsey situation different.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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There's an axiom in discussions here where Twitter needs saving. Why? In what way is it non successful? In what way is it broken? I mean most Twitter discussions I ever saw are disgusting or plain dumb mascarading as profound. I don't think the medium of a public square like that is a good thing, and I would be happy to see its demise. But it seems successful in the way it usually lead the public discourse similarly…

> In what way is it broken? My biggest issue with Twitter is the lack of moderation, theres SO much propaganda on there. I report tweets where someone threatens someone and they are like 'oh no violation'... I reported a tweet with a video of ukraine where they showed un-blured body parts of dead people and a message praising russian soldiers for 'smashing nazis into little pieces'... and it was 'no violation' (thank…

Hmmm, I thought musk and Dorsey want less moderation...

Anyway, the ugliness you talk about seems inherent in the medium. I don't think that's fixable, especially as it doesn't seem to hurt Twitter bottom line. Which, let's face it, is the only metric that any corporations really care about.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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For those scared of all the links, here's a simple summary from someone who runs a server with an instance of one of these applications. * ActivityPub is just an open, flexible protocol for sharing content * The fediverse is a nice, human friendly way to describe all the various services using activitypub to talk back and forth to each other. The value in this is that these projects are diverse, it's not all twitter…

> Mastodon is in a constant state of chasing new, usually niche or controversial features which have led to a lot of bloat For those of us who haven't been following Mastodon closely, can you list some of these features? (My own point of view is that in communication products, like in programming languages, creeping featuritis can be a symptom of poor overall design.)

The newest features I know of are a built in language auto translator, more fine tuned administrative controls geared towards specific members of other instances (something that's already fairly robust for both platforms), default instance wide progressive scrolling of large threads, support for editing posts.

None of these are earth shattering, but all of them are very contentious aside from maybe the admin features. In general, Mastodon aims to maintain twitter feature parity, which is why things like the translator and are added. The ActivityPub protocol also doesn't really support the idea of an edit directly, and many see it as the latest in a long list of steps of mastodon trying to own the protocol.

The progressive scroll / pagination vs load the whole thread thing is a constant front end argument within various mastodon/pleroma frontends and has been for years now. The problem is that unless you use one of the real minimal, 1337, hackerish frontends, threads with 300+ comments will send your RAM straight to frown town unless you have like 12gb to spare just for what is mostly static text.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

While I believe this deeply. Putting really smart people into a room to work on big things is optimal.

I’d agree if you replace “smart” with “competent and experienced in the domain in question” and “room” with “the place where their decisions are going to be implemented”.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

While I believe this deeply. Putting really smart people into a room to work on big things is optimal.

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

Having money and resources, influence and respect certainly doesn't hurt either. I've known a lot of great people with great ideas but poor in resources, networks, and connections, and also lacking much respect out of small circles. They were certainly smarter than others, but they were also unable to influence much.

True - but most founders don't have any of those. I know many, many founders. They were all broke as f*ck for years to build it, living off a spouse working ... to magically exit.

It ain't money, it's hard work eschewing the other opportunities many so quickly jump at. It's being there building long enough to have "the timing" work out for you. Or it's being so right with timing that you in essence lucked on that part of the curve out.

People don't like hearing this bc it's against their personal narrative.

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