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YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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AI: Oh, showing /u/treeman79 some Family Guy videos increases their engagement, MOAR FAMILY GUY!!!111oneoneone

I assume that's exactly it, why else would companies do this sort of thing, or are all media companies inept.

The AI found me and downvoted. If I never post again you know what happened!

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Search is entirely crippled for new stories now. If I saw some breaking news on Twitter I used to pop over to Youtube to find original or better footage than news services were getting, or to get it faster. Impossible via YT's search now, it's just pages and pages of old-media channels with their thoughts on the footage, always clipped down and talked over. Even Twitter seems to do this now, it's becoming harder to f…

Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.

I’ve recently started using yandex lately and have say I also find it refreshing. My favourite is the image search I just find it superior to other search engines.

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Ann Reardon (not Reed, as I wrote originally), from "How to cook that" did a video on it.

Basically Youtube rewards interactions, and a dislike is an interaction. Her main evidence was a video by pewdiepie where he asks everyone who views it to dislike it. It is one of his most viewed videos, at least around that time, and by far the most disliked.

Sadly Ann Reardon names her videos after what she cooks or debunks, and not her critiques on the algorithm (she has quite a few really good one)

I'd appreciate if someone knows the link.

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I've had videos not show up in the YouTube search despite the query matching the video title verbatim.

Yup. I now pretty much use YouTube search only to call up a video where I have the YT ID. Everything else is a waste of time, and I just use DDG search if I want to find something without the ID in hand. How management thinks it is a good idea to make their products useless by letting a bunch of self-aggrandizing "analysts" or marketers or whatever attempt to manipulate their customers/viewers is beyond me. The fact…

Myspace was the place to be until one day it wasn’t. YouTube is a behemoth but it too could fall one day. For now the amount of information it has is just too valuable but it is becoming less enjoyable to use the site all the time. On iOS I don’t have an Adblock and am forced to watch countless ads and then When I watch the ad the video fails to load. So I refresh and sometimes that works sometimes I need to do it several times before the video will play. It is a shame they have gone so downhill over the years for us old enough to remember the beginnings.

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What a lot of people are missing is that when watching YouTube, they're the product, not the consumer. I know this has been said many times before, but ignoring this reality is like trying to understand life without considering evolution, or understanding chemistry while ignoring the periodic table. Google's incentives are to tailor customers to advertisers , not customers to content! They don't care if you see what…

How does this fit if I pay for YouTube Premium? I don’t see the ads, and I guess they still get the data. Why are they trying to drive me to particular content if they can’t show me the ads they want to?

Premium users are not the majority. Their algorithms are tuned for the non-Premium users.

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The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…

So many smart people there and such an idiotic solution - this whole short sighted, mind narrowing, engagement "boosting" recommendation system must be trained on attention horizon of a fruit fly.

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I'm not surprised by this. I gave up on the YouTube Home page, etc. years ago and I only look at the Subscriptions page. I've just found new channels to subscribe to through word of mouth over the years and I have more than enough content to choose from.

Same, but deep down I know that the chronological subscriptions page will be taken away soon, and that’s when I’ll stop using youtube except for direct links to videos.

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The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

> Some might say that you can still use search, but that has been crippled to include unrelated recommendations after one page of results. Not only that, I want YouTube to help me discover new content. When the recommendation system works and it shows me new kinds of interesting stuff, it's superb. TikTok is eating YouTube's lunch in this regard. this and it's going too far, since Youtube is now polluting people's se…

They addressed the "political rabbit hole", but the powerful nature of algoriths to change people's lives remains completely unaddressed. People's tastes, views, behaviors, career paths, music tastes, and personalities are being influenced on a mass scale by totally black-box algorithms that are manually tweaked by unaccountable employees. People's psychological vulnerabilities are taken advantage of, as you can clearly see with the big rise in people faking Tourette's syndrome because of TikTok, that psychologists are now having to account for in their diagnosis and screening.

"A modern clinician needs to remain abreast of social media sources as knowledge of media content is essential in managing patients in the current environment."

https://movementdisorders.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10...

We've all met people that adopted wholesale the mannerists of this-or-that online influencer; gestures, tonality, jokes and all. It's creepy as hell to see, and sure, and algorithms are reinforcing this phenomenon. An "obsessed fan" is YouTube's ideal viewer, since his engagement will be through the roof.

Spotify is unprofitable, so they allow the biggest artists to pay to be promoted by their algorithms, which shapes the world's music tastes.

Fat people are being recommended mukbang videos.

These algorithms can be studied, as TFA does, and you can try to hold these companies accountable, but there's limited utility in doing scientific studies of algorithms that get updated multiple times a day.

In today's world, manmade algorithms from a handful of huge tech companies are likely exerting more influence over human evolution than nature itself is!

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