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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by jeltz »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #126
travisjungroth wrote: post #108

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The standard to pass the first phase of US Army Ranger School is 5 miles at 8:00 pace. Those aren't pro runners by any means, but shows a standard for a rather well conditioned group of people. They also need to do 49 push-ups and 59 sit-ups in 2 minutes each, plus 6 pull-ups.

I could easily meet the push up/sit up/pull up bar but I can only run 12 min miles for 5 miles. Pretty interesting how uneven is my conditioning.

My conditioning is also very uneven. Running would be trivial (I ran a half marathon at 7:55 min/mile a couple of days ago), I could also manage sit-ups just fine, would fail on push-ups (but not by much) but can't even do a single pull-up.

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

milansuk wrote: post #57
ryannevius wrote: post #20

Aleksandr's training is public on his Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/26934035 Something to remember is that this is his pace _after_ pit stops, so his actual running pace was faster. Also notable is that this course was kind of terrible, with four 90 degree turns and three 180 degree turns each lap for 209 laps. There's little doubt that he could run > 200 miles on a course with fewer turns.

I downloaded .gpx of the run and it's 6.7MB. He started with 4min/km pace, held it for 130km(9 hours) and then He "slowed down" almost linearly to 5min/km when he finished.

4min/km = 6:27/mile roughly, I think? If I did the math correctly?

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Post by jeltz »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #177
travisjungroth wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The standard to pass the first phase of US Army Ranger School is 5 miles at 8:00 pace. Those aren't pro runners by any means, but shows a standard for a rather well conditioned group of people. They also need to do 49 push-ups and 59 sit-ups in 2 minutes each, plus 6 pull-ups.

I consider myself unfit and can do 10k at 7min/km ... not sure those numbers are right given 1km=.6mile

You did some calculation error, the requirement for rangers is 5 min/km or a 50 minute 10k (compared to your 70 minute one). Not that hard to do but requires one to be in decent shape.

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Post by jeltz »

notacoward wrote: post #195
twawaaay wrote: post #186

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No, I just want to say that probably most of healthy people (well, at the very least men) can, with a bit of preparation, achieve the above mentioned result with no prior history of doing any serious sports. It would require some effort but it is doable in 6 months. Why does everybody assume this is vanity?

The numbers simply don't agree with you. Instead of repeating myself, I'll just cite my other comment in this thread (including link to RunRepeat). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32900865

That does not contradict with what he said. If you average 8 km per day I think most men and quite many women would be able to run a 45 minute 10k. You just need to be willing to put in that much hard work and not be obese.

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Post by nonameiguess »

_0w8t wrote: post #119
elil17 wrote: post #79

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Humans are much more energy efficient than cars, so it was less than 3/4 of a gallon (100 kcal/mile * 200 miles = 20,000 calories = 0.7 gallons of gas or about 6 pounds of body fat). He's probably much more efficient than 100 kcal/mile though.

Energy efficiency per distance of running improves very little with training. According to the book “Burn” by Herman Pontzer we are talking about few percents, not even 10%.

That is presumably talking about differences in metabolic and mechanical efficiency, but assuming those are held equal, energy output still scales linearly with work performed, which is directly proportional to body mass, and energy loss from atmospheric and wind drag is going to operate similarly. Simply being smaller and having a slimmer profile will result in less energy needed per unit of distance compared to an average person.

That said, Aleksandr is smaller than an average 40 year-old man, but actually pretty large for a distance runner, 20 kg heavier than the current world record holder in the marathon.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

anthonypasq wrote: post #206
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #181

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That doesn't seem too long of a run until you realize it would need to be every day without rest days.

humans are remarkably good at running. Granted this was in high school, but I went from huffing and puffing a 3 mile jog to being able to go for leisurely 8 mile runs within a couple months.

If you do 8 miles every day my hat is off to you, I find I'm happiest only running 4 days a week.

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Post by phphphphp »

notacoward wrote: post #191
phphphphp wrote: post #169

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I don't think the first part of that is true. That pace is a ~25 minute 5k which most reasonably healthy adults could build up to quite quickly; you certainly don't need to be a "well conditioned athlete" to do 5 miles at that pace. Anyway, doesn't change your point that maintaining the pace over 24 hours is super-human, very much agreed.

> ~25 minute 5k which most reasonably healthy adults could build up to quite quickly For 5km, 25:00 would put you into the top 10% (median is 34:37). https://runrepeat.com/how-do-you-masure-up-the-runners-perce... That's out of those who post times in measured/timed events, so it would be an even better result compared to all runners, and better still compared to fit people specializing in other sports such as cyclin…

I'm not sure how much I trust those stats. If you look at parkrun results, 25 minutes is definitely not the top 10%. I imagine you're familiar with parkrun, but just in case: parkrun is a weekly, non-competitive, just for fun 5k -- with millions of participants, and all their stats are online.

I picked a bunch of random events from last week's parkrun, and for most of them, ~>1/3rd finish in Click a town name in the "event" column on this page to see various results (includes gender and age group) you can also click through to individual profiles: https://www.parkrun.org.uk/results

If we expand the definition of "runner" to include anyone who runs at least once per year, I think maybe you'd get to the 10% figure you're quoting. The other possibility is that the page you've linked is using marathon times and extrapolating out from those to get 5k times, which is not going to produce accurate results.

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Post by [deleted] »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #216
anthonypasq wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

humans are remarkably good at running. Granted this was in high school, but I went from huffing and puffing a 3 mile jog to being able to go for leisurely 8 mile runs within a couple months.

If you do 8 miles every day my hat is off to you, I find I'm happiest only running 4 days a week.

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