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The tyranny of the supertweeter

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Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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The Nazis were openly and explicitly engaged in genocide . They killed millions of people in death camps. They didn't talk about it, they didn't allude to it. They did it. MILLIONS of people were killed like cattle. This happened in real life. White nationalists are bad. Racists are bad. The people associating themselves with those people shouldn't be. Being a stupid ignorant racist, and building actual in real life…

Hitler was a Nazi before the death camps opened. He was a nazi before he was chancellor, too.

In retrospect, they're remembered for the death camps, but they didn't start with them, and somebody looking to set up death camps wouldn't either.

The goal is to not have Nazis in charge who can make death camps. If you wait to stop then until the death camps are there, you've failed at the goal

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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Same, and with Reddit too (for me).

Reddit politics is on a whole new level of extremism.

I literally don’t see it and don’t care. I’m there for the chicken videos and Hold My Cosmo.

Not proud of the Hold My Cosmo thing...

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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Is it only me perceiving that people is growing aware of the disadvantages of twitter, or at least its frequent use?

Twitter is the worst, apart from all the other social networks.

And do you think that Discord will be one day A Place For Educated discussions about multiple topics like those we have here?

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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I think this conversation is an example of people living in different worlds, and it's the type of thing that has been created out of the place that things like what I linked above have pushed the discourse. In my world: the nazis were essentially a psychotic death cult who engaged in genocide. They didn't work up to this. This was core to their political ideology starting in 1920. But there seems to be another world…

> random politicians who say anything outside of mainstream, American leftwing political ideology are "nazis" > its a form of holocaust denial This is nonsensical and self-contradictory. People on the far right today are compared to Nazis because they are articulating the exact same ideas of genocidal elimination, sometimes with explicit reference to and endorsement of the Nazis. you're invoking 'random politicians'…

I wonder what effect this sort of "debate" in public is having on people's ability to talk to each other.

In a normal discussion if you and I were just talking to each other and nobody was watching, it would be easy for you to just admit that you are wrong. You are wrong about your comparisons between center right American politicians being similar in any meaningful way to Nazis (for instance: both Nazis and American conservatives use spoken word to convey their messages. They both held political rallies. These are not meaningful similarities.), and you are also wrong about your understanding of people raising their hands in prayer.

https://churchleaders.com/worship/worship-articles/341942-10...

Do a google search for "lifting single hand while praying in church" and you will find pages and pages and pages of religious people debating the biblical relevance of this. There is absolutely nothing meaningfully similar between a religious person raising their hand in prayer (what was happening in the linked video) and a Nazi salute.

You were just simply incorrect about this, seemingly because you didn't know about the practice of religious people doing this.

In a normal conversation, it would be easy for you to just receive this piece of information you didn't have previously, integrate it into your understanding about the world, and rebuild your arguments around this new understanding.

But online, especially with twitter and the like, every one of these discussion is effectively happening on a stage in front of hundreds of thousands (or millions) of people. People (I think you are doing this right now) will go so far to avoid being wrong about something, that they eventually get to the point of having to build and present a world model that is totally rotated around the thing they were wrong about. The entire world has to change to support this minor inaccuracy in what was said.

So for example: instead of acknowledging the fact that you were just wrong about how people pray, you are now building out this world in which The United States of America is filled with thousands of churches full of millions of people who for the last several hundred years at least have been signaling their alignment with a genocidal, national socialist German death cult.

Can you see how that's a problem? Not the way you're engaging with this (which I do think is a problem), but the fact of making all of every conversation public?

Even suppose we were having this conversation in a private message. Even that doesn't matter because either of us could just screenshot it, put it on twitter, and invite the mob to ridicule the person who was wrong.

Look at the lengths people will go to protect their idea of "well actually the entire world is wrong and I'm right".

It's really scary stuff.

I don't think it's necessary to continue talking to you about Nazis and how American Christians are or aren't signaling an alignment with them. However in the spirit of good argument, I think it's also rude to try to take the last word and not let somebody reply. Feel free to respond to this, but after that I won't be replying to you anymore.

Please have a nice day.

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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I thought this was going to be about speakers.

Sure. Being active online is one way to try to drum up expose if you're trying to make a career out of public speaking. Which potentially has implications if your area of interest isn't inherently tied to the main polarization axis.

I meant loud speakers, like Sony or Bose. Super tweeters are a type of high frequency driver used in audio speakers.

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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The part about journalism is particularly troubling because Twitter is like crack for journalists and has thus played a big part in decreasing the credibility of the profession. The platform is a journalist's fantasy brought to life. The ability to exist as an individual and have an audience independently of their publication. Blue check-marks. As the article mentions, the capacity to find stories with little effort.…

Real questions here, I'm not a Twitter user:

are blue check marks ever re evaluated or audited, and not just for authenticity of the person being who they claim but for the general validity of what they say or report?

Are there other badges similar to the blue check for other things? My understanding is that the blue check is for verifying people are who they claim, is there another badge to signify "hey this person posts legit things with references as a reporter"?

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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There is a different explanation about the 'power posters' - not that they are "insane", but that it's their job. They get good amounts of money for doing what they do. As an addition, for the extreme cases it's most likely not a single person, but multiple people, posting under the same name.

Some of them probably are effectively paid advertising teams. That doesn't really explain some of the people you used to get on forums though. Why pay someone to write 24/7 micro-serial "Transformers" fan-fiction?

Transformers is not nearly niche enough to warrant being used here

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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I keep my twitter politics-free. And I follow tech/hacker people and routinely mute/block those who think I want to hear their inane/naïve political opinions. And you know what? Twitter is pretty nice! It keeps me in a nice tech filter bubble where the biggest argument is 8080 vs 6502.

What do you do about the recommendations? I am constantly bombarded with suggestions for topics that I have 0 interest in. I click not interested, I update my settings, I create custom ublock rules, and yet they always come back eventually.

I've mentally tuned them out! Also, twitter seems to have made recommendations more in-line with my filter bubble so even when I notice them, they're often relevant.

Trending for me now is "retrogaming."

Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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> random politicians who say anything outside of mainstream, American leftwing political ideology are "nazis" > its a form of holocaust denial This is nonsensical and self-contradictory. People on the far right today are compared to Nazis because they are articulating the exact same ideas of genocidal elimination, sometimes with explicit reference to and endorsement of the Nazis. you're invoking 'random politicians'…

I wonder what effect this sort of "debate" in public is having on people's ability to talk to each other. In a normal discussion if you and I were just talking to each other and nobody was watching, it would be easy for you to just admit that you are wrong. You are wrong about your comparisons between center right American politicians being similar in any meaningful way to Nazis (for instance: both Nazis and American…

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Re: The tyranny of the supertweeter

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>finding a great source for a story is as easy as finding the right combination of search terms. I'm struck by the parallel to typing the right prompt into GPT-3.

I've read articles where I'm not convinced GPT-3 was not the author It also sounds like a Wikipedia editor's job

For many articles, the one dead giveaway that it was written by a human is the fact that almost all news articles have typos and severe grammar errors in the first hour or so of release.

If these Twitter journos had better spelling and grammar, they would likely be indistinguishable from GPT-3 output.

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