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Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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They called out in the presentation that it's also got an ambient temperature sensor just underneath the display, to help calibrate body-temp vs room-temp for the overnight "difference from baseline" temperature measurements. Agreed on the local-storage-for-health-data bit, but I'm sure they could argue that the ambient sensor isn't privacy-relevant.

It’s also very easily anonymizable

They claimed that data is encrypted on device and Apple never sees it.

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I wish huge companies like Apple would just be happy with being #1 in their category, collecting their enormous profits and paying out dividends to shareholders, instead of feeling the need to take over the world.

I think some of this will be the eventual undoing of some large companies. Take for example facebook; it early on came into a huge market dominance as a relatively simple social media site. Now it's hugely overblown with algorithms trying to wring a couple extra ad dollars out of existing users, at the cost of making the whole platform (imo) a lot worse, and this may be speculation but I think we've reached peak Meta…

I agree. I wish myspace were still around, it was so much more fun than facebook. Everyone having their own unique profiles infinitely customizable is something I miss. Facebook came around and replaced everyone's cool, unique clothes at the party with boring uniforms.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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There was definitely a long-term trend of computer shrinking. Room->closet->desk->lap->pocket, but I agree that future interaction models look completely different, and there isn't an obvious next step.

I agree, from the perspective of what industry creates, but keep in mind that the effect on the consumer space varied throughout that history significantly. There was no consumer room sized computer. Realistically I think the future is already here with a proliferation of specialized mobile devices. This is why Apple took away the headphone jack: so they could sell AirPods. OP was right in the sense that glasses will…

"Saasification" is just one aspect of this risk. The broader category of risk, and one that is harder to ameliorate, is that consumer technology is complex to the degree of approaching - from the user's perspective - magic. Who else besides Apple and a couple of other companies can create this magic technology? The answer, I believe, is "none". Apple fully understands this. They will talk up "privacy" etc. to distract us from the fact that they may become a monopoly provider of magic. I use Apple products and I like those products and in fact I am invested in the company (is there a better moat than magic?). But from a long-term perspective, I see a lot of risk here.

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I understand airtagging a dog, but how do you fit one in your wallet? Are you worried about misplacing it in your home, leaving it behind somewhere else, or theft? I like airtags and use them myself, but never considered using it with a wallet.

In my case, first I used https://www.amazon.com/TagVault-Standard-Flexible-Pending-El... , and now I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975HFFMM/ . It has alerted me to the wallet being left behind, and a few times I've used the AirTag to find the wallet in the house. The big downside to AirTags right now is missing family support. We hid AirTags on the kids' bikes, but only my wife can see them.

You hide tracking devices on your children and you think the big downside is that Apple doesn't support that?

There's zero intersection between people who should be tracked and people who are able to ride bikes.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

I understand airtagging a dog, but how do you fit one in your wallet? Are you worried about misplacing it in your home, leaving it behind somewhere else, or theft? I like airtags and use them myself, but never considered using it with a wallet.

See the link elsewhere for Chipolo. It's killer. I've used it so many times now to find my lost wallet that I'd gladly pay twice the cost.

I was recently existing an airplane, and realized I didn't have my wallet in my pocket. Folks were packing up behind me, and I was getting pressure from my family to start existing down the aisle. I wasn't sure if the wallet was somewhere in my carryon or on the floor of the plane. I was scrambling checking pockets of various carry on bags, etc. The I remembered I could ping it. Within seconds, I could hear the chirp and very quickly found it.

Highly recommend!

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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The moment that apple announced "privacy" as their focus I knew this was going to happen. They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. If you want to sell targeted ads to anyone using an Apple device, you'll have to let Apple do the targeting (and take their cut). Get customers locked into the apple ecosystem, "protect" them f…

> They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. Anyone who seriously thinks Apple are going to turn into another Google or Facebook needs to give their head a wobble. Look at, for example, their recent pro-privacy improvements to the App Store where developers are now forced to state in black and white what data their Apps coll…

Look at how they constantly go out of their way to engineer a solution that results in better privacy. Like analyzing your photo library using AI for object and face recognition. Any normal company (read: Google) would just run all that AI in their datacenter. Apple goes the extra mile, to actually run all that analysis on-device, while it's charging. I assure you there's no other reason to go through that effort other than privacy.

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> won’t even have screens is particularly bold I know that. But I've seen this tech evolve now for 40 years, and I am confident that that's where it's headed.

My response isn’t based on the tech itself, it’s based off of society/culture/consumer behavior. I’m skeptical that glasses will become ubiquitous from a consumer purchasing standpoint.

I think they'll be sold on the compelling features and services.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Those watches measure the temperature at the underside of the device, i.e. the temperature of the wearer not the air . And that data they claim stays on your phone, not in their cloud.

They called out in the presentation that it's also got an ambient temperature sensor just underneath the display, to help calibrate body-temp vs room-temp for the overnight "difference from baseline" temperature measurements. Agreed on the local-storage-for-health-data bit, but I'm sure they could argue that the ambient sensor isn't privacy-relevant.

The temperature inside a winter coat though, not outside in the freezing air right?

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I'm not sure what happened but Dark Sky went from awesome to awful in recent months after the Apple acquisition. Is it just me? Going from "no rain all day" to actively raining with a huge storm 2 hours later. The app does update with this info, but very close to the actual storm.

As an Android user, it used to be a fun party trick at the bar, to show everyone the alert on my phone from dark sky that it was going to start raining in X minutes or that it was going to stop raining in Y minutes and then everyone checking later and it being basically down to the second accurate. As a former paid user of Dark Sky that lost that information when Apple bought them I feel no sympathy for iOS users tha…

The integration of dark sky was definitely rocky but apple is running dark sky as a data api now, this android app is apparently using it as it’s weather data source now:

https://www.boondogglelabs.com/projects/forecaster.html

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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In my case, first I used https://www.amazon.com/TagVault-Standard-Flexible-Pending-El... , and now I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975HFFMM/ . It has alerted me to the wallet being left behind, and a few times I've used the AirTag to find the wallet in the house. The big downside to AirTags right now is missing family support. We hid AirTags on the kids' bikes, but only my wife can see them.

You hide tracking devices on your children and you think the big downside is that Apple doesn't support that? There's zero intersection between people who should be tracked and people who are able to ride bikes.

• In fact, the children suggested AirTags — ebikes are expensive. Their only hidden tracking devices are their "LoJack&Jill"-brand subdermal cellular GPS implants for kids, installed while they were under heavy sedation.

• They had phones^H^H^H^H^H tracking devices already, so…

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