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Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by 5fnheluzdj »

bradgessler wrote: post #184
5fnheluzdj wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the top of my list is being able to use a local repository and providing no credit card.

By local repo, do you mean like how Heroku's `git push heroku` works? Or do you mean you want to deploy from your local machine's repo? The `fly deploy` command is a local deployment in the sense that it copies the files of your application and deploys it to the server, regardless if you have git or not. If you launch Fly from the CLI to test the free tier, you don't need a credit card. Obviously when you exceed the…

With `local repository` I meant not involving a thirdparty like Github or Gitlab which is a requirement for some Heroku-like providers. `git push heroku` is very nice to have - for me it would be enough to not having to leave the terminal as it seems to be the case.

Last time I tried fly.io I had to provide payment information before doing something useful. I'll give it another try as you suggested.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by [deleted] »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #73
cfiggers wrote: post #57

Speaking as a pure hobbyist with no formal background in programming or computer science, I've learned a ton playing around with free Heroku dynos. That "holy shit, it worked" feeling is a hell of a drug. My proudest achievement so far is a dumb-as-rocks little Clojure program that runs on a schedule in a free Heroku dyno. It sends alerts to a Slack channel when there's updates to a Trello board we use at work. All i…

You'd think a company the size of Salesforce would have the long-range vision to use a tiny fraction of their resources to capture developer "goodwill" from projects just like this. But apparently you'd be wrong.

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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by knubie »

bradgessler wrote: post #80
aarondf wrote: post #15

Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!

Please let me know in the replies what you'd like to see at Fly that would make it as good, if not better, than Heroku. I recently started working at Fly to focus on making Rails & Ruby app deployments awesome, and of course Heroku set that benchmark almost a decade ago. I can't promise I'll get to everything, but I can promise that it will help me better prioritize what I should be focusing on to make Fly better for…

I have a production rails app that I've been thinking of migrating to Fly from Heroku. After reading the Turboku[0] docs, it seems that the process only migrates the rails app itself, and continues to connect to the Postgres database on Heroku. Is that right?

Are there any plans to "upgrade" Turboku or release a similar tool that makes migrating Heroku Postgres databases to Fly just as easy?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by joshstrange »

tptacek wrote: post #197
wutangisforever wrote: post #188

I don't get why heroku would do this, it's killing any customer who would start off small and scale up. I mean how much money could they possibly be losing from hobby dynos etc...

They're telling you why: having a free tier means allocating a lot of resources to fraud and abuse, which are rampant in hosting, especially now that you can convert hosting dollars almost directly to cash. It's a big problem, and I have every reason to believe they're being forthright about why they've made this decision.

That may all be true but I don't see any other way to frame this other than them throwing in the towel for the whole platform and/or conceding to other platforms that are better at spotting fraud/abuse.

Require a credit card, require a deposit, allow free dynos for otherwise paying customers. Killing the whole program is a sign they don't care about growth, they don't care to be where a developer first launches a hobby that results in paying later, and they are fully embracing their Salesforce persona (not a good thing in my book).

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by m3nu »

For hosting simple open source apps there is also https://www.pikapods.com. Not free forever, but fairly cheap at around $1.5/month for the typical app.

I'm a founder and we specifically don't focus on running custom apps, but a moderated selection that also gets updates and optimizations. Like an app store for open source web apps.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by bombcar »

cnees wrote: post #53

Bummer. I’ve found it really convenient, and I’ll consider moving to a paid tier, but they had a DNS outage earlier this week that left my site down, and even though they said it was upstream, it makes me wonder whether I shouldn’t move to a more stable host. Guess I won’t be adding any user facing features for a while as I work out the transition in my spare time.

You'd think they'd delay this announcement just a bit after having crashed hard.

(I believe the "upstream DNS provider" was also Salesforce, so they don't really get to switch blame.)

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jensneuse »

driverdan wrote: post #134

We're a large Heroku user currently spending $10-20k/month. This change may lead us to switching to another platform. We host a lot of individual apps, many that only need free tier DBs and Redis. This change will roughly double the cost of a basic app on pro dynos + DB + redis, from $25/m to $49/m, with no additional benefit. Heroku is already very expensive. $25/m for 512MB RAM is laughable. At $49/m we could get a…

If you're looking for a platform where you can run small experiments on free tier backends, we'd love to have you on our platform. We're looking to provide Serverless backends including SQLite-based storage for free: https://wundergraph.com/cloud-early-access

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by hazzamanic »

decidertm wrote: post #62

The public roadmap is a good idea but highlights how stale the product has become. https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues Only now researching adding Cloud Native Build Packs and HTTP2. This will reaffirm for many the sense that Heroku is being dismantled from within. Feature sunsetting and removal of a free on-ramp doesn't help. If you're looking for a production alternative to Heroku checkout Northflank. https://…

Is the free plan comparable to heroku? So I could get a free Dyno (equivalent) with postgres dB on Northflank? And you can't scale back down to free once you go paid?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by wilg »

I always wished I could pay Heroku like $50/mo for a "side project" plan where it was easy to spin up small apps and databases. I don't need it to be free, I just need it to be kind of easy and painless to spin up a bunch of random side projects. Some kind of limit is fine.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by copperx »

gkoberger wrote: post #177

We pay Heroku many, many tens of thousands of dollars a year. And I still use free dynos, both personally and at work. For example, throwing up a quick app for testing (where I'm happy with dynos that sleep or are limited per-repo). By pushing us off the Heroku ecosystem for some stuff, we might as well just move everything. The only reason we even use Heroku now is because I used it for free over a decade ago. I get…

Probably free plans have tons of overhead. If this results in drastically lower prices, I'm all for it.
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