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Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #81

Is there email counterpart of HTTP 301? This could be the solution. But it would have to be much more secure and would require human confirmations to make the "301" to take the effect.

Email relay and email forwarding filters. However, it’s up to the email service provider to handle this. Which is out of your control.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nation states absolutely should provide and host, e-mail accounts for their citizens Because nation states are well known for producing usable software at a reasonable cost to tax payers? IRL this would cost billions and everyone under 60 would forward their gov’t mail to gmail.

>Because nation states are well known for producing usable software at a reasonable cost to tax payers? The largest transfer of public property into the hands of private enterprise in human history was the Internet. At that time it was wild and limitless and full of promise. It’s pretty much stagnated from there. Just like scientific and medical research, tech research is the most effective and has the largest societ…

Inventing and turning into usable product are not the same skill sets, nor is maintaining. If, today, you survey which websites are the most robust, the most user friendly, the most performant, the most functional, or most economical, you are very unlikely to settle on one produced and maintained by the government, or even a university. I've noticed in recent years that some government websites have actually become fairly usable, but I would not say I've ever been impressed by one.

Also, maybe I'm missing your point, but it seems very strange to say they internet was transferred to private enterprise. Private enterprise built on a government foundation, but almost everything that people use the internet for now was built by private enterprise, and the standards which constitute the most important contribution of the government were not, and are not now, under corporate ownership.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #92
post #79

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I run my own mail server as well, on my own domain, own server, physically present in my home. It's increasingly becoming a hassle.. Especially sending mail from a "consumer" line is tricky, they block outgoing port 25 and no longer really provide a relay host for you to go through either.. I basically had to infiltrate my current ISP to get access to people in netops and gaslight them into configuring reverse-dns an…

You could always use a service like Mailgun to work around problems like that. It could help with IP/network reputation problems, too. I think that’s a reasonable option if it enables running a mail server at home.

In my experience (from a few years ago) Mailgun had terrible deliverability to Microsoft and Yahoo. There would be long periods where those providers would return nothing but anti-spam errors, based on Mailgun's own logs.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nation states absolutely should provide and host, e-mail accounts for their citizens Because nation states are well known for producing usable software at a reasonable cost to tax payers? IRL this would cost billions and everyone under 60 would forward their gov’t mail to gmail.

> Because nation states are well known for producing usable software at a reasonable cost to tax payers? Yes, they are. The software, hardware, and automated systems underlying transit systems in Japan, Taiwan, some of the UK, and a couple other countries, continues to make trains not crash into eachother for just about a hundred years now depending on the system. I don't know too much about it, but it seems the same…

Mostly static websites that just serve out data are fairly easy to produce and maintain, especially when they are relatively low traffic. I won't attempt to evaluate Taiwan's websites (although your own qualifications tend to support OPs claims) but those US websites are mostly just publishing information. They don't demonstrate the government is capable of providing quality email to all citizens because they don't demonstrate the ability to operate at high scale with high reliability and adequate performance while delivering highly personalized pages.

The only example I can think of for the US government attempting to offer something like that at scale was the notorious healthcare marketplace created for the ACA. It catastrophically failed at launch, took months to fix, and the people who fixed it were people who left private industry to do so for philanthropic reasons. If you read the story of how it came to be in that state, it's pretty much what you'd expect. Lots of different departments arguing, contractors coming and going, tons of coordinating meetings, budget overruns, finger pointing. This despite this being a crucial piece of infrastructure for the biggest health care reform in years. That pretty much set my expectations for how good at software the federal government is, but I'm open to hearing proper counterexamples if you can supply one.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

this is not a good idea for multiple reasons. john@smith.stlouis.mo.us ? Who gets that first? arkhramud@maprikhoychich.stlouis.mo.us ? How hard is to trace a person from one location to another? To fix this email problem abandon the email as an account identifier. Use a 'username', or as I do a random set of characters and digits. There is no reason my account (login) has to be indexed as "john.smith@example.com". It…

Using 8 characters from a-z and 0-9 would be begging for trouble, starting with 0/O and 1/l confusion. Most humans are really bad with arbitrary alphanumeric strings.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #203
post #3

For me it's Fastmail with a side of Namecheap (or maybe vice versa). Thankfully I pay both companies, thus there's an incentive to keep me happy so I keep paying... In particular, Fastmail has real support staff, which provides at least a modicum of peace of mind.

Can you use fast mail with any email service that supports IMAP or is it like Proton Mail where you have to use their app to check your emails?

FastMail offers seneric JMAP, IMAP, and SMTP access with app-specific passwords.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #107
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run my own mail server as well, on my own domain, own server, physically present in my home. It's increasingly becoming a hassle.. Especially sending mail from a "consumer" line is tricky, they block outgoing port 25 and no longer really provide a relay host for you to go through either.. I basically had to infiltrate my current ISP to get access to people in netops and gaslight them into configuring reverse-dns an…

> Nation states absolutely should provide and host, e-mail accounts for their citizens Because nation states are well known for producing usable software at a reasonable cost to tax payers? IRL this would cost billions and everyone under 60 would forward their gov’t mail to gmail.

Counterpoint.

Gov.uk

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