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UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by rob_c »

happymellon wrote: post #165
rob_c wrote: post #38

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Which basic human right did they take away? I've been able to go out, see anyone I've wanted to, write whatever I want. I can even be guaranteed to drink the tap water regardless of where I am in the country. If I accidentally wander off a path I won't get shot. If I have the wrong coloured skin it can still be dangerous to be in the wrong neighborhoods in the USA. American have a very strange perspective on "basic h…

For the record, I'm very much anti Tory, very much a promoter of vaccines which work and very much a promoter of being able to understand and question statistical analyses in a consistent way.

People can place words in my mouth but they are not true. I'm an educated individual with a strong understanding of statistical analysis, scientific modelling and was asked to give advice of the validity of the tools used to construct report 9. I reported them to be as broken as I feared with evidence and then the action on this was strictly political in the UK after advising govt committees.

The basic right of not getting arrested for traveling in the British countryside or the ability to go and earn a living without government intrusion in all factors had been removed for several months and the thought of being able to congregate in a small group to simply discuss something like the works of Shakespeare was for a time effectively illegal.

The fact these rights were restored has nothing to do with them being removed en masse. I'll note whilst still allowing private flights into the country without restriction as long as you were bringing in than £50k to the country(!).

I'm not talking about the USA. Nor do I care to here. I'm not talking about any political party here, again nor do I care to. I'm not taking about anti scientific rigour or scientific discussion here, not do I care to. And nor do I care to discuss statistical illiteracy in any way shape or form.

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by rob_c »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #106
rob_c wrote: post #35

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Right because the virus caused Russia to invade more of Ukraine?

Out of the blue yes, for no reason yes, no change that would force their hand yes, nothing impacting the global economy yes ...

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by dogma1138 »

beeboop wrote: post #206
HunchedOver wrote: post #154

The young will be expected pick up the tab for the old, despite owning none of the assets. It would not be a surprise if there are policies announced to further tax the young to give 'Granny' more free money off her bills (the existing winter fuel allowance is not means tested), and further free transport round major cities (over 60s travel London free). Then there's the echoes of the lockdown nightmare, mass punishm…

We already see indirect youth tax in the USA in the form of social security - millennials will never see the benefits from their life-long contributions that the current retired age group is seeing. As it is currently benefits will decline 22% in 2034, and even further by the time millennials hit 65+.

In the UK national insurance is 13.5% from the employee and 15.5% from the employer…

And all you get is £170 a week pension if you are lucky.

So the social security equivalent in the UK comes to about 28% of the salary of most UK workers.

It does only kick in if you are paid more than £240 a week for the employee part and £170 for the employer part, and does taper off for the employee to 3.5% for income above £4300 a month but for all intents and purposes this hold true for most workers.

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by frumper »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #62
rvieira wrote: post #18

I live in the north of England where temperature varies from 38F in Jan to 57F in August. It's pretty chilly for me, so I tend to spend a considerable amount of gas throughout the year. I'm renting a house, so deep work like insulation gets complicated. My point is that even with a comfortable salary, I will feel ~£600/month in energy. I can only fear for people that earn much less than me.

> I live in the north of England where temperature varies from 38F in Jan to 57F in August 38F = 3½C 57F = 14C Not sure why you used Farenheit, but I live in the north too and it's colder and warmer than that. Currently 22C (61F) here in rainy Manchester.

your 22C conversion is off, 22C = 71F

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by frumper »

tomjen3 wrote: post #192
trgn wrote: post #71

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Europe is going to come out strong out of this whole mess. The political unity so quickly after the start of the war was unexpected (and admirable). Ten years from now, Europeans will drive electric (if they'll drive at all), solar panels will be everywhere, and the continued flex-work-from-home revolution will have created an enormous amount of extra time for everybody. They'll be comfy in their sustainable homes an…

The price to drive an electric car has spiked recently. We are in this shit because of Putins war (75% of the blame), Europes general hatred of having a military (15%, say), and finaly Biden not being willing to use military force directly to stop Russia. We can't do anything about the first, it will take decades to solve the second, but if Biden was willing to take of the gloves, Donbas and Crimera + a good chunk of…

It doesn't sound right to suggest there are criteria for using nukes. The only thing that needs to happen is someone with them decides to use them and does.

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Post by omnimus »

detaro wrote: post #210
omnimus wrote: post #209

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UK is not europe anymore :x. European north and center is highly insulated. By law in most coutries.

The UK didn't magically move on the map just because it left the EU.

But it also is not representative of europe in general in insulation.

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Post by timeon »

TrackerFF wrote: post #20

Hopefully the current energy crisis (in Europe) will further accelerate development in renewable energy. Seems much of Europe is still chained to LNG, and that demand is even wreaking havoc in countries which have been previously quite self-sustained, or really don't use LNG much themselves - with Norway being a good example.

Wish I was optimistic like you. The other possibility is that there will be more coal (Germany, Poland, Czech Republic are already heavy producers). Norway may cut EU and UK from their electricity production (it seems to be #1 topic there and there were already articles comparing current network with NAZI-era plans on NRK). etc.

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by timeon »

trgn wrote: post #71
TrackerFF wrote: post #20

Hopefully the current energy crisis (in Europe) will further accelerate development in renewable energy. Seems much of Europe is still chained to LNG, and that demand is even wreaking havoc in countries which have been previously quite self-sustained, or really don't use LNG much themselves - with Norway being a good example.

Europe is going to come out strong out of this whole mess. The political unity so quickly after the start of the war was unexpected (and admirable). Ten years from now, Europeans will drive electric (if they'll drive at all), solar panels will be everywhere, and the continued flex-work-from-home revolution will have created an enormous amount of extra time for everybody. They'll be comfy in their sustainable homes an…

> The political unity so quickly after the start of the war was unexpected (and admirable).

It was there for few weeks. But soon everyone was blaming others for the situation and not doing enough.

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Post by danhor »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #176
Someone1234 wrote: post #123

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This is such pointless pedantry. Heat pumps having an efficiency greater than 1/100% is well known, well publicized, and you're trying to make some artificial distinction here that added nothing to this thread/context/discussion. See: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/489467/can-a-hea... https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/06/heat-pumps-work-miracles/ I won't be further responding to this sub-topic, since it ha…

Characterizing them as >100% efficient is poor communication. It doesn't map to any intuitive understanding, it does not communicate anything about how much heating could be done with that energy (thus leading to people believing absurd claims), and it does not map to either the colloquial or technical meaning of efficiency in any other context. Efficiency as a concept doesn't go over 100% and just because confusing…

> It doesn't map to any intuitive understanding, it does not communicate anything about how much heating could be done with that energy

But that's exactly what it does. It's technically wrong, but communicates the understanding that you put 100% of electrical energy into it and get 250-450% of heating energy for your home out of it, as opposed to 100% with resistive heating. That some of the electrical energy comes out of the air outside or from the ground is irrelevant for most people.

What are absurd claims you reference?

Re: UK inflation forecast to hit 18.6% next year, energy bills may rise to £6000

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Post by tomjen3 »

frumper wrote: post #215
tomjen3 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The price to drive an electric car has spiked recently. We are in this shit because of Putins war (75% of the blame), Europes general hatred of having a military (15%, say), and finaly Biden not being willing to use military force directly to stop Russia. We can't do anything about the first, it will take decades to solve the second, but if Biden was willing to take of the gloves, Donbas and Crimera + a good chunk of…

It doesn't sound right to suggest there are criteria for using nukes. The only thing that needs to happen is someone with them decides to use them and does.

>Dmitry Medvedev, a former Russian president, who now serves as deputy chairman of the country's security council, outlined four ways that Russia could be "entitled to" use its nuclear arsenal—even against a nation that is only using conventional weapons.

>Number one is the situation, when Russia is struck by a nuclear missile. The second case is any use of other nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies," Medvedev said Saturday, according to The Guardian. "The third is an attack on a critical infrastructure that will have paralyzed our nuclear deterrent forces. And the fourth case is when an act of aggression is committed against Russia and its allies, which jeopardized the existence of the country itself, even without the use of nuclear weapons, that is, with the use of conventional weapons."

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-lists-justifications-use-nuc...

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