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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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How about an indication of the opposite? Since you stated that smart people "are better at answering all of the questions you listed". You seem to have completely missed the point of my comment though, which is that the questions are not well-defined and therefore it's not obvious what 'the better answer' is.

I don't see then how that can explain why smarter people are less happy. In fact if you believe this article, unhappiest people have avg. IQ. Low and high IQ are happy, with >120 being the happiest: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-19659985

The article doesn't state that they are less happy. It just states that they are not happier as in, they are probably pretty much equally as happy as other people.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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> when you see a likely worsening climate, rampant inequality for really no good reason What are you, as an individual able to do about any of that? Think about it the other way, if you wanted to make it worse could you meaningfully? Could you make the seas rise by even a single millimeter? Probably not. Now say you wanted to make it better, a single private jet trip for a CEO to visit his mistress will wipe out any…

Not everyone finds comfort in nihilism; it can be pretty off-putting to read something like "you don't matter at all, and will be quickly forgotten" and than be told "so, enjoy!".

Is it nihilism? A plage could evolve and wipe out the human race at any time, a asteroid could end all life here in a instant. Most people are engaging in "nihilism" on those topics, and many others, but if they instead made the choice to dwell on them it wouldn't make them any less likely. I suggest simply you engage in "nihilism" on a few more things you have no control over.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I see a lot of data to prove smart people aren't much happier, but no data at all to prove that A) multiple types of intelligence exist and can be measured that aren't already measured by a mainstream intelligence test B) a type of intelligence that makes you happier exists, and can be measured by performance on another task C) when you ask someone how happy they are and they say "7", it means they're experiencing th…

>A) multiple types of intelligence exist and can be measured that aren't already measured by a mainstream intelligence test

G factor is well understood and is mainstream across Psychology/Neuroscience. Intelligence tests are highly correlated to G factor.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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> Logically, smarter people should be less happy, because they realize that important issues are borderline unsolvable in any realistic timeframes. You don't need to be very intelligent to consider climate a very hard problem. In fact, if we follow this logic, less smart people should be unhappier, since they are in an even worse position to do something, while smart people might choose to go into an engineering job…

I consider climate change a negligible issue, it's just the hype of the day, something you're "supposed" to virtue signal about. Even a 10C temperature change won't change much in the grand scheme of things. Average person is dumber each year because high iq is negatively correlated with fertility. On top of that populations are collapsing due to below replacement tfr. There's a real danger that technical civilizatio…

> I consider climate change a negligible issue, it's just the hype of the day, something you're "supposed" to virtue signal about. Even a 10C temperature change won't change much in the grand scheme of things.

Well, I think the majority of the people who study these exact kinds of problems would probably disagree with you, no? AFAIK, the human contribution to climate change is actually very drastic and will probably show huge effects.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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To me it is mostly that life is boring. At some point you have seen everything interesting and anything you see hence are just fitting into the same basic patterns. Discussions, tv shows, books etc. Living is still better than not living, but every time you experience something new the things left to experience becomes smaller. A few romance movies and you have seen all of them, a few action movies etc, or even psych…

True when you focus solely on consuming. Turn to creating (art, science, a better mousetrap), and there’s no end in sight.

No end?

Spider Robinson, Melancholy Elephants:

http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200011/0671319744___1.htm

I'd agree that at some point being "creative" feels like just another kind of killing time with minesweeper or crossword puzzles or whatever.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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post #40

The smarter people see the truth of the world and the universe. If the truth was good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cares about us, smart people would be so happy. But being smart just means you know the awful reality of things. Congrats, you learned about all these awful things you can’t do much to fix, and the reward is you get to experience existential dread. Congra…

Smart enough to see the bad, but not smart enough to look away.

The world is in roughly the same spot as it was when I was 20, and my body is certainly worse off, but I'm much happier now simply because I don't steep myself in the shittier parts of the universe.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The problem here IMO is that although intelligence can be fairly well defined and measured and it tends to be fairly static over a given period of time, happiness can be more difficult to measure or define and fluctuates.

Someone may say they are less happy on Monday Morning than on Friday afternoon, or they were happier last year but then the pandemic lock down saddened them. And, some people perceive their own happiness differently, on person may say, I am very happy, but they perhaps are not as happy as another person who says they are only moderately happy because they may have a higher expectation of happiness.

And what is it really, many philosophers have spent a lot of time on that topic. Is it that all my needs and wants are met and I am in a committed relationship? Others may define it differently. The article touches on these points.

In my view these are just two different unconnected attributes, asking if intellect and happiness are correlated is like asking "how big is the color red?" it is not really a meaningful question.

Anyone can be happy, whether they have a high IQ or not.

Say you have one man who has a low IQ, works as a laborer, but comes home to a wife and loving children. They do not have a large house or fancy car but if you ask him, he may say he is very happy.

Another man, lives alone in a large home with a nice car but enjoys solitude and contemplation, perhaps occasionally having a friend over and they have a deep conversation about quantum mechanics. You ask him and he might say he is very happy.

Obviously, you could easily reverse those examples and add many more.

Now let's measure that?

Personally, I just don't see how.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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That’s exactly my strategy for shutting down the existential dread mill. Whenever it bothers me too much I’m pointing my attention to how it all eventually turns to dust. The effect of that enables me to try to enjoy the now.

To me it is mostly that life is boring. At some point you have seen everything interesting and anything you see hence are just fitting into the same basic patterns. Discussions, tv shows, books etc. Living is still better than not living, but every time you experience something new the things left to experience becomes smaller. A few romance movies and you have seen all of them, a few action movies etc, or even psych…

> So we can conclude that living for an eternity wouldn't be particularly more interesting than living for 100 years

It should be. As you get to see the heat death of the Universe. Or at least experience its beginnings; or at experience an ice-age or something.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#220
Reminds me of this quote from Stop Stealing Dreams [1]:

> Philosopher Jeremy Bentham argued that if two kids playing hopscotch or push-pin are gaining as much joy and pleasure as someone reading poetry, they have enjoyed as much utility.

> John Stuart Mill took a different approach. He argued, “it is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are of a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question.”

1. https://seths.blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/stop-stealing-...

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