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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by LunaSea »

FabHK wrote: post #53
josephcsible wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting because it shows how much influence the CCP has over the American company Apple.

In the EU, Apple posts prices including VAT, just as local regulations require. That's because the EU has this enormous influence over the American company Apple. Or is it because companies generally tend to follow the law of wherever they operate?

If they were operating in North Korea, should they be leaking the names of anti-Kim Jong-un employees to the authorities as well if that were the law?

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #210
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190

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You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

>Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it Forgive me for being naive here but how does Taiwan buy weapons? Are all the arms manufacturers selling to them breaking the law?

You should ask reputable international law experts for these.

Fox news might not be reliable on this matter. Nor myself, or any other unidentified HN visitor.

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Post by upupandup »

earthboundkid wrote: post #3

Why is this interesting? Taiwan has to compete in the Olympics as Chinese Taipei or whatever. Yeah, any place that China can influence, it makes Taiwan call itself China.

If the US is willing to compromise even in a non-military standoff, imagine their willingness in an actual military conflict that emerges in Taiwan.

This is not great news for Taiwan. Besides empty assurances, I am now certain that Taiwan is largely on its own.

No nuclear armed nation is going to fight another nuclear armed major power.

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Post by eagleal »

klipklop wrote: post #157
iconhacker wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only when provoked by US.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Wasn't that after removing the infamous "Taiwan Is Part Of China" from the Taiwan Fact Sheet, and the proposal for expansion of military aid to Taiwan? That old lady is also the US House Speaker, second in line for POTUS succession among other things.

Not exactly irrelevant.

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Post by Apocryphon »

ericmay wrote: post #162
jjoonathan wrote: post #156

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Did you learn nothing from the Prisoner's Dilemma? We don't actually have any options that leverage massive economies of scale and manufacture in the US, because our masters chose to ship the manufacturing overseas. Individual agency is trumped by control of the rules, that's the whole point of PD. Pretending that our wallets have agency is a con to fool us out of using the tool that would actually be effective: regu…

You can enact regulation (which takes time, and which I support) and also buy things that aren't made in China right now. This same thing applies to environmental considerations as well. You don't need to wait for the government to ban plastic bags for you to stop using them. Both can happen together.

Such regulation doesn't just take time, it's basically politically unfeasible given how both entrenched interests (businesses) and the individual voter are incentivized towards cost-savings. It's essentially like calling for raising taxes- not literally impossible, but virtually so.

You're setting up an ethical dilemma that is always going to default to one direction, and castigating those who don't go the impossible route. This is "If you don't like this government, why don't you move to another country?" or "If you don't like this platform, why don't you build one?" levels of impracticality.

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Post by wongarsu »

prepend wrote: post #165
BudaDude wrote: post #119

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To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. They might take Taiwan though and ruin the global economy for a few decades. But I’m not seeing how this gets to be ww3 and not a regional war of just blowing shit up with missles. I don’t think Europe, Africa or South America would get involved unless China fired icbms or bobbed Hawaii or something. China’s military just isn’t strong enoug…

I agree that China can't project military force far outside China. But they don't have to, a large portion of the world's population and manufacturing capacity is in their neighborhood. If they take over Taiwan, occupy Vietnam and get countries like Laos and Thailand which have good relations with China on their side, then other countries might join against China to protect their interests and supply lines.

Meanwhile the US has failed to roflstomp much smaller and weaker countries that didn't prepare for this exact scenario. China can't take the war to the US, but they can defend their costal waters and core territory longer than the US can maintain popular support for a war.

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Post by rjzzleep »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

> If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan

It never was, that's why they want chip companies to build factories in the US as a backup. Until May 2022 the official state department website specifically said that the US does not support independence. Even now it still says that it's official stance is a one china policy(although China does not believe that that is indeed the official stance, hence the tensions).

But at the end of the day anyone that can read a map can see what the reality here looks like. There is that which we would like to be true, and that which is reality and unfortunately the reality looks a bit more grim.

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Post by BudaDude »

FirstLvR wrote: post #122

I HATE the fact technology has to be influenced so much by politics. The only reason we are not travel the stars by now is our own fault.

Agreed. It's sad that we as species just can't get it right when it comes to getting along with each-other.

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Post by quantumwannabe »

hodgesrm wrote: post #187
the_duke wrote: post #87

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Alternative view: Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. A country whose increasing rivalry with the US in economic power and geopolitical influence (along with increased tensions) has been clear for well over a decade. Apple is diversifying a bit i…

> Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. Up to a point there's a cost advantage, but Tim Cook has also pointed that Apple uses Chinese factories because it allows them to take advantage of the local manufacturing capabilities, which are substantial.…

Tim Cook also invested a third of a trillion dollars in China because they did not have the manufacturing capabilities to build the iPhone how Apple wanted at the time of the investment. [1]

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tim-cook-275-billion-c...

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Post by whoevercares »

klipklop wrote: post #157
iconhacker wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only when provoked by US.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Except The old lady is -

> The order of succession specifies that the office passes to the vice president; if the vice presidency is simultaneously vacant, or if the vice president is also incapacitated, the powers and duties of the presidency pass to the speaker of the House of Representatives

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