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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by RektBoy »

germandiago wrote: post #141
int0x20 wrote: post #77

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I am not for or against russians or ukranians. Think whatever but in a war you are going to see many disgusting things from both sides. It is like that. I declare myself neutral and the last thing I wanted is my country to be involved in this stuff (and others). Of course, at the same time I think that Russian invasion was stupid and a mistake. This is a power game and nothing else. I just want to live normal, not to…

If you're Neutral, than you are enemy. Nice. Looks like you didn't learn a thing. GermanSS. (Yes this is a reference to Waffen-SS, if you forgot.)

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by whyagain1885 »

moomoo11 wrote: post #160
Grimburger wrote: post #137

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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

> elected an African American president twice

This is a bit of a fallacy. The institutions/administration from top-to-bottom is important. For example, Scandinavia never had a black/brown head of state but still the police would not treat you badly like it happens in US. Yes, I have lived there.

Another example, India had head of state from all different religions but does not mean all is fine and clean.

The institutions are important - not the person.

PS: In principle, you as US citizen want your country to top dog. All fine. At the end if every country thinks they themselves want to unilaterally be top - conflicts happen.

At some point one needs to think universally - and establish a level.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by fragmede »

modo_mario wrote: post #125
dubswithus wrote: post #52

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They aren’t just going to surveil you though. They will actively work to promote disinformation to you.

Do you have examples of this? China's big players from what I have seen have incompetent at even just advertising in the west. I remember reading an American study that went into this around the time these alerts around foreign misinformation started to get big. Turns out Russia is pretty damn good at it. The bit China tries is small and again incompetent (An example given was at small scale shelling out to buy popul…

You're trying have obvious, bad attempts prove the absence of better, unnoticed attempts, which isn't necessarily true. The point stands though; that any property (Twitter, Facebook, TikTok) with an algorithmic feed has an immense amount of control over the social discourse and direction of a country. More than newspapers do, and yellow journalism pulled us into the Spanish–American War.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by RektBoy »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #181
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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Thanks, I'm saving your post for some American tourists visiting my city. Good material for pub conversation. Ahahaha

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by checkyoursudo »

klodolph wrote: post #169
germandiago wrote: post #129

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> The reason that systems of economic sanctions exist is to provide alternatives to war I am not talking about this. I am talking about the fact that it is an oligarchy who chooses whether we go to war or not. I do not think most spanish think that Spain should be involved in a war that is at the other side of Europe where either of those country did anything to us. This is what I mean. These wars respond to oligarch…

This is how governments behaved in 1930, and bad things happened. If we are going to make mistakes, I hope we make new mistakes, instead of making the same mistakes from 100 years ago.

I hate to be the one to tell you ...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by whyagain1885 »

gambiting wrote: post #61
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

>>Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem The thing is, yes Facebook and Google's data collection is horrendous, but TikTok it literally on another level. Quite a good explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuk...

From Reddit:

> Phone hardware (cpu type, number of course, hardware ids, screen dimensions, dpi, memory usage, disk space, etc)

> Other apps you have installed (I've even seen some I've deleted show up in their analytics payload - maybe using as cached value?)

> Everything network-related (ip, local ip, router mac, your mac, wifi access point name)

> Whether or not you're rooted/jailbroken

> Some variants of the app had GPS pinging enabled at the time, roughly once every 30 seconds - this is enabled by default if you ever location-tag a post IIRC

> They set up a local proxy server on your device for "transcoding media", but that can be abused very easily as it has zero authentication

Wait a minute - Why was Android or iPhone - built by West allows everything... Or if tiktok are the topdog in writing apps and FB missed out on writing these? Sour grapes?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by bamboozled »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to the government.

Yes western governments are totally full of shit too, the proof of this is that Julian Assange is still being crucified for leaking information, for being a whistle blower.

We're all so trained to thinking the Government is ok now that it's really hard to know what to do about it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by strangegecko »

RektBoy wrote: post #203
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here.

As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems.

That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China? Or even in, say, Germany? These are different degrees of cultural openness.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by cloutchaser »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Underlying your point there is an assumption that Chinese government = American government in it's misuse of data etc.

I don't think this is true. And I've run a privacy advocate organisation and I'm a complete Snowden fanboy. But if I had to choose between giving my data to the CCP or the American government, the choice is easy.

Even though a lot of data collection was done without warrants in the USA, there's been a lot of blowback, and there is still changing presidents/executive, changing representatives, and rule of law (not perfect, but still there).

On the other side you have a CCP rolling out social scoring, running concentration camps, etc etc.

It's just not the same. Let's not pretend it is somehow equivalent.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Mindwipe »

jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

It's more that America is also a foreign government that exploits our data for surveillance or espionage to many of us.
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