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Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Who in Europe isn't heavily affected by the gas shortage? How is this Germany's fault? To me it seems like a lot of the smaller/weaker countries in Europe just always need a scapegoat to blame when things get difficult.

Italy is a bit less affected because it's closer to Algeria. However we also had politicians trying to stop the pipeline from Turkey to Italy.

Turkey may start acting lunatic as well.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Solution #1 - we already tried that, we gave Putin Crimea in 2014, everything was chill for 7-8 years and now we have this mess. If we give him Donetsk and Luhansk, he'll just be back for more + Moldova in 5-6 years.

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Here is a propaganda tip for ya - simple, dumb ideas work great in Facebook and Twitter. Hacker News is a little different.

Just say that Russia is no different than China or the USA. It is reasonable for them to have their own monroe doctrine over former USSR nation-states.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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If only somebody foresaw this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit-idUSBREA2P0... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trump-scolded-germany-for...

Ah yes about trump. I distinctly remember people rightfully laughing at him for his “clean coal” statements. Guess what country in europe relies heavily on “clean coal”?

Poland? There is no clean coal and one bad thing doesn't make other right

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

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And it's not just Ukraine - what about Sri Lanka which is collapsing by the minute? I do care about the people, but if I am completely honest, I could care less about the government. If the current government can fend off Russia, great, but maybe (I don't know for sure) it would be better for the people for some sort of diplomatic solution to be created (perhaps surrender a part of Ukraine but allow anyone interested to leave the new Russia peacefully), that might be better for people on the ground than an endless war. Surrender for now for the sake of stability, but regroup and don't allow such a thing to ever happen again and take some lessons learned from this.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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To get some perspective why this is such a hotly debated topic - just got my heating bill for the last year - just a small 2 person flat in a small town - most flats in Germany are heated by gas one way or another - 700€/year with 5.2ct/kWh for 2021 - current market is more like 15ct/kWh and will probably rise. With the rise in rent prices in the last years this could push quite a bit of poor / lower middle class peo…

I share the sentiment regarding Russia's fascist regime but it seems much more realistic that the EU will just silently walk back on the embargoes. After all, if the populace gets too uneasy with higher energy bills the politicians won't have any issues dealing business with Russia.

And with the support for energy embargoes already falling to 32% in Germany[0] in mid July this seems like the most likely outcome.

Question is will Russia then attempt to hurt Europe by blocking gas deliveries like it is doing now with Nord Stream 1.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-germany-gas-i...

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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What's the explanation for this? I mean, surely the explanation isn't that Trump is secretly a well informed and thoughtful person?

That he likes calling out an occasional hypocrite now and then, and is familiar with Russian power dynamics in the west?

He's not though. He was probably given some version of that statement as part of a briefing, but more importantly his businesses and campaign finance were incredibly entangled with Russian money and oligarchs at pretty much every level[1,2], not to mention his bizarre interactions with Putin.

This was his version of simply yelling the same insult back at people he didn't like: and he really didn't like Merkel (or any European leader) because unlike the despots and dictators they wouldn't just suck up to him (notably Shinzo Abe figured him out immediately and went all in on the obvious play for favor[3])

[1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates...

[3] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/18/japans-abe-nominated-trump-f...

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Unfortunately Brunsbüttel terminal only finally got the go ahead in January 2022 and it will take 3.5 years to build. It's anyway a good alternative source. https://www.gem.wiki/Brunsb%C3%BCttel_LNG_Terminal Increasing insulation and installing and building more heat pumps are obvious ways to save on gas. Italy used some big EU subsidies to pay 100% of people's home and house renovations. Would something like that be…

The old cynic in me wonders what it would take, for Germany to care about building major new infrastructure fast. Asteroid Dino-Doom 2.0 headed straight for Dortmund, and the needed interceptor rockets stacked like logs outside the barely-started launch facility?

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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Unfortunately Brunsbüttel terminal only finally got the go ahead in January 2022 and it will take 3.5 years to build. It's anyway a good alternative source. https://www.gem.wiki/Brunsb%C3%BCttel_LNG_Terminal Increasing insulation and installing and building more heat pumps are obvious ways to save on gas. Italy used some big EU subsidies to pay 100% of people's home and house renovations. Would something like that be…

my god- the EU redistributed tax revenue from member countries to fund 100% of home improvements in Italy? I can't even imagine.

What's so wrong helping a neighbour? That reduces the energy costs for everyone around the world not only Italy.

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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post #18

To get some perspective why this is such a hotly debated topic - just got my heating bill for the last year - just a small 2 person flat in a small town - most flats in Germany are heated by gas one way or another - 700€/year with 5.2ct/kWh for 2021 - current market is more like 15ct/kWh and will probably rise. With the rise in rent prices in the last years this could push quite a bit of poor / lower middle class peo…

I share the sentiment regarding Russia's fascist regime but it seems much more realistic that the EU will just silently walk back on the embargoes. After all, if the populace gets too uneasy with higher energy bills the politicians won't have any issues dealing business with Russia. And with the support for energy embargoes already falling to 32% in Germany[0] in mid July this seems like the most likely outcome. Ques…

>> Question is will Russia then attempt to hurt Europe by blocking gas deliveries like it is doing now with Nord Stream 1.

Sorry for the naive question, but are the Nord Stream gas deliveries:

1. blocked because sanctions dont allow for commerce/transactions,

or

2. blocked to hurt the customer (Europe) by not transacting even when transacting is possible?

Re: Looming natural gas shortages has the EU scrambling for solutions

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As a Ukrainian, I sincerely thank you for writing this. It is often disheartening to see how many people of HN don't realise what is happening (and, frankly, has been happening for 8 years) and then read cold opinions devoid of empathy. What is the compromise when the other side's goal is extermination?

I don't see the goal being extermination at all. If that were the case the tactics used would be much different. Control, integration, subjugation, colonization, there are a lot of other words that are more fitting without the "genocide" hyperbole.

You don't have to exterminate the population (although Russia's been there, done that in Ukraine) to exterminate the country as a going concern, or the national identity.
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