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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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I’m happy with this. Apple was begging for this with their narsistic and arrogant anti-consumer behavior.

Also app store these days is pretty much ruined. Almost all new apps are ”free” but in the end require a monthly membership or some other BS. Hopefully soon we can just pull apps directly from github releases.

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The near-field communication have a clear reason. Apple was only allowing access to their own banking app as a payment provider in shops. As I understand there was not even a way to get access with any kind of forms or such if you had a competing plastic card firm. That is pretty much the only reason that clause is the legislation.

> there was not even a way to get access with any kind of forms or such if you had a competing plastic card firm What does this mean? Apple is not a payment processor. The banks sign deals with Apple put make their cards available through Apple Pay, but the payment still goes through the payment networks (visa, mastercard, amex) and the banks.

Don't you think that's actually a problem?

Apple can dictacte all the conditions and if they don't like anything, $PaymentNetwork will just not work with Apple devices at all with no option to change that by installing another app?

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I really hope Sony and Nintendo are classified as gatekeepers as well because this > Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. would be huge for Playstation and Switch owners.

So far everyone complaining about app lockouts have been laser-focused on phones, because they're general-purpose and thus easier to legally justify sideloading on. Nobody wants to talk about game consoles - to open them up would almost certainly require revisiting DMCA 1201[0] and removing the prohibition on circumvention tools. The US Copyright Office wouldn't entertain extending the current "mobile devices"[1] jai…

> Nobody wants to talk about game consoles

They're talked about a fair bit tbh. All sorts of proposed legislature often goes to pains to say "except game consoles". The role of game consoles was brought up a fair bit in the Epic v. Apple lawsuit.

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post #13

It will be interesting to see what dark patterns Apple will come up with to resist this. I imagine every time you open Firefox you will get a popup window saying "Do you want to use Safari instead?"

Google already does this in its iOS apps. When tapping a link in e.g. Gmail, it won’t just open your default browser, but instead open a menu asking you to choose your default browser or Chrome. It has a “remember this choice” toggle but it shouldn’t be there at all… just obey the OS default browser setting.

Every single google search now has a modal that slides up from the bottom begging you to login to google. It's incredibly frustrating.

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The near-field communication have a clear reason. Apple was only allowing access to their own banking app as a payment provider in shops. As I understand there was not even a way to get access with any kind of forms or such if you had a competing plastic card firm. That is pretty much the only reason that clause is the legislation.

> there was not even a way to get access with any kind of forms or such if you had a competing plastic card firm What does this mean? Apple is not a payment processor. The banks sign deals with Apple put make their cards available through Apple Pay, but the payment still goes through the payment networks (visa, mastercard, amex) and the banks.

They aren't a payment processor, they are a payment provider. You are correct that most banks have deals with Apple and thus cards are available, but Paypal, Venmo, Cashapp, Google Pay, etc. can't be used as a default payment provider for purchases on the iPhone.

Apple reportedly makes about 0.15% of each purchase through Apple Pay[1].

[1] http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/12/more-apple-pay-details/

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#217

I’m happy with this. Apple was begging for this with their narsistic and arrogant anti-consumer behavior. Also app store these days is pretty much ruined. Almost all new apps are ”free” but in the end require a monthly membership or some other BS. Hopefully soon we can just pull apps directly from github releases.

I'm looking forward to the consoles being forced to end some of their anti-consumer policies. It's about time people who buy a Switch or PS5 can use them for more than what Sony and Nintendo say they are allowed to.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google already does this in its iOS apps. When tapping a link in e.g. Gmail, it won’t just open your default browser, but instead open a menu asking you to choose your default browser or Chrome. It has a “remember this choice” toggle but it shouldn’t be there at all… just obey the OS default browser setting.

Worse they don’t open the link in safari. Instead it’s a view in the gmail app so they can continue tracking your engagement.

But the view is Safari, isn't it?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#219

There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

I haven't read the DMA/DSA, so if this is actually written out in them then I'll happily be corrected here.

The way I see it, the EU probably doesn't really care if Apple keep ALL the restrictions they currently have on their App Store in actuality, as long as options exist on the platform.

So the solution to allowing access to NFC hardware will probably just be Apple opening up sideloading.

I personally hope that Apple implements sideloading in a way that allows those who don't want to use it to keep their device secure, and I'm confident they will.

Regarding the messaging platforms, I'm pretty sure the EU are not going to push us into a situation where E2E is broken, in fact, I was under the impression that the bills specifically required that E2E be maintained.

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post #90

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>it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. The best chat application I ever used was Pidgin circa 2008. It was so easy to be able to talk to all my friends across several different protocols in a single program.

Pidgin existed not because IM services provided interoperability but because someone wrote libgaim and equivalents for other protocols. Keeping those up to date was a massive effort.

It was still awesome that it was possible to exist, and allowed to exist.
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