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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by mgerdts » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:30 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #193

robswc wrote: post #153

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I was one of those kids. Only because taking the bus was a pain in the ass and my parents loved me enough to put up with it, at least until I could drive. Bus was awful. Kids had no respect for the driver or other kids. Plus it easily tripled the commute time.

Yes. The bus my kids would have to take to High School served both middle and high school. They would have been on the bus for about 40 minutes and arrived at school 30 minutes before the first period started. School was about 15 minutes away by car. If I drove them (or when they were old enough to drive on their own), they could sleep nearly an hour later than if they had to take the bus. Since it wasn't much of a d…

Did you live in an area sparsely populated by families with children that matched your child’s age, or did you choose (or forced to use for desegregation) a school that was far away? The fact that transit was an option makes me think it was the latter.

I spent most of my school aged years in an city with a mediocre transit system. Most parents did not drive their kids to school except in very bad weather. Also, most people attended the school closest to their home. This meant the mediocre transit system used buses for special school routes usable only by students. I rarely took this bus as I preferred to bike or walk in about the same amount of time the bus would take.

Where I live now, something similar happens at least for the kids that are bussed across town to achieve a somewhat consistent racial mix in all schools.

Has everyone driving their kids to school eroded the viability of walking, biking, or taking a school bus?

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by kzrdude » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:38 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #210

xkbarkar wrote: post #201

Amazing how this irritates many. We never had classes before 8.30 ( not US ) when I was a kid. School starting at 7 would have caused an outrage. Parents were generally starting work between 8-9 so dropping of the kid on the way to work makes sense. At 7 most parents would have been an hour early for work which is not awesome for everyone. How bizarre to read that an entire culture apparently has promoted extraordina…

There is a catasrophic level of disrespect for the younger generation. It is clear by looking at the tone in the media, the derision with which issues that affect them are treated and the level of devastation we are leaving for them to handle, both in financial debt and climate change. I don't know if it's envy, if they oldies are uncomfortable with change, or they just feel incomplete if there isn't someone lower do…

Maybe they look at kids and think that kids could do things better/smarter.

Because everything gets easier with experience. I think everyone has thought at some time what they would do differently if they were kids again or back to school again. Some things we'd do better and have a handle on because as an adult you have some school and life experience.

If they then without empathy look at schoolkids they don't understand how they think and what they struggle with.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by frumper » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:39 PM UTC

ironmagma wrote: post #96

giantg2 wrote: post #38

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Some might. I bet many won't. Good luck doing business with the east coast if your office doesn't open until 11 am pacific.

If you're doing business with the east coast, you probably don't need to be in the office for that.

Bosses beg to differ. Seats aren't going to warm themselves.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by kzrdude » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:40 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #207

jghn wrote: post #189

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I walked by myself a quarter mile to kindergarten. I walked by myself to a bus stop through the rest of my school days until myself & friends started driving. Most of those years I came home to an empty house at the end of the school day. Not sure why this is a big deal. Kids can manage on their own.

Starting at kindergarten, I always made my own way to work. Walk or bike. At one time school was 3 miles away. After school, sometimes I'd hunt a bear for dinner.

Nowadays that wouldn't be possible. Think about all the food waste generated when hunting a whole bear for just one meal.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by feet » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:40 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #206

koolba wrote: post #25

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If they do enough physical and mental labor during the day and turn off their smart phones at night, they’ll have no issue going to sleep early enough. On the other hand if you do nothing mentally stimulating or physically tiring all day long, then of course you won’t be able to sleep till late.

> physical labor during the day You heard it boys and girls, back to ploughing the fields it is!

I'm hearing child labor is coming back in vogue in the US!

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:42 PM UTC

veilrap wrote: post #143

khazhoux wrote: post #89

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> I had a 0-period class starting at 6:00am Your school admins were assholes. What unholy sadists would start school that early?? What country was this?

In the US, I had similar (not quite as early) optional 0-period classes in high school that started around 6:45AM. It was awesome, small class sizes (because it was optional), interesting useful topics (Math and Philosophy). I'm happy my school admins made this available to us. I don't understand your rage.

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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by radley » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:47 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #210

xkbarkar wrote: post #201

Amazing how this irritates many. We never had classes before 8.30 ( not US ) when I was a kid. School starting at 7 would have caused an outrage. Parents were generally starting work between 8-9 so dropping of the kid on the way to work makes sense. At 7 most parents would have been an hour early for work which is not awesome for everyone. How bizarre to read that an entire culture apparently has promoted extraordina…

There is a catasrophic level of disrespect for the younger generation. It is clear by looking at the tone in the media, the derision with which issues that affect them are treated and the level of devastation we are leaving for them to handle, both in financial debt and climate change. I don't know if it's envy, if they oldies are uncomfortable with change, or they just feel incomplete if there isn't someone lower do…

FWIW, Boomers were a very entitled generation. They have the post-war benefits of their previous generation and ran up a huge deficit for the following generations to pay back.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by markovbot » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:48 PM UTC

collegeburner wrote: post #119

ar_lan wrote: post #80

This seems crazy late. IIRC I had a 0-period class starting at 6:00am. Starting 2.5 hours later is surprising. If I were back in high school, all this would have told me is that I'm staying up until at least midnight, if not later. I was usually good about sleeping around 9:30pm which gave me roughly 9 hours sleep. Since I assume this means school will end later in the day, this just means homework gets pushed much l…

Fr lol all this will do is make kids less disciplined. They need to be forced to go to bed and get up early precisely because it is harder than getting up late and staying up late. Inertia says its easier to stay up late than get up early so since we need to put discipline into kids we should do the opposite. Kids will otherwise just stay up late watching TV and smoking marijuana.

I can't tell if this is satire or you're just peak boomer

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:51 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #210

xkbarkar wrote: post #201

Amazing how this irritates many. We never had classes before 8.30 ( not US ) when I was a kid. School starting at 7 would have caused an outrage. Parents were generally starting work between 8-9 so dropping of the kid on the way to work makes sense. At 7 most parents would have been an hour early for work which is not awesome for everyone. How bizarre to read that an entire culture apparently has promoted extraordina…

There is a catasrophic level of disrespect for the younger generation. It is clear by looking at the tone in the media, the derision with which issues that affect them are treated and the level of devastation we are leaving for them to handle, both in financial debt and climate change. I don't know if it's envy, if they oldies are uncomfortable with change, or they just feel incomplete if there isn't someone lower do…

There seem to be 3 attitudes to kids:

1 - Adults that get some kind of power trip out of tyrany and justify it by 'toughening them up'. They demand respect and dicipline they never had themselves. They will have endless stories about how their childhood was tough, and they had to talk to school and home 10 miles, alone, thorugh the snow, and it was uphill both ways

2 - Adults that 'care', by helicoptering over kids and try to shape them into a career they wish they pursued themselves. In practice they rob kids of all agency and don;t let them gow. These guys are like a 'left-wing' version of the above, for lack fo a better metaphor.

3 - Adults that actually respect children as people with independant thoughts and emotional needs - seem to be a minority.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by radley » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:52 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #207

jghn wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I walked by myself a quarter mile to kindergarten. I walked by myself to a bus stop through the rest of my school days until myself & friends started driving. Most of those years I came home to an empty house at the end of the school day. Not sure why this is a big deal. Kids can manage on their own.

Starting at kindergarten, I always made my own way to work. Walk or bike. At one time school was 3 miles away. After school, sometimes I'd hunt a bear for dinner.

Uphill... both ways.