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Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by harpersealtako »

NonNefarious wrote: post #118
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Yeah, it's pathetic. Here's your standard NextDoor headline: HOMELESS MAN LOOKED AT MY DOG AGGRESSIVELY Then you have a bunch of insipid suck-ups piling on in the comments, with "Oh I'm so sorry this happened to you!" "So glad you're OK!"

That just sounds like old people talking to each other, I don't see the problem. That kind of small-talk would be commonplace in any small-town diner. In a quiet neighborhood where nothing happens, literally anything is gossip-worthy. Not every online has to be maximally interesting content, sometimes it's fine if it's just old people talking about the weather.

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Post by powerslacker »

harpersealtako wrote: post #204
phil21 wrote: post #185

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> we live in an incredibly safe wealthy suburb and these people “crept” to a window This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears. I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart,…

This is so contrary to my experiences living in suburbs/exurbs most of my life that I'm honestly not exactly sure how we came to such polar opposite beliefs. The most alienating, dehumanizing, isolated environments I've ever lived in are large and medium cities and apartments, while the most welcoming, strong communities I've been a part of have been suburbs, exurbs and rural areas.

I live in the suburbs and I have a similar view. Kids play in the street unsupervised, well-behaved dogs are free to roam, bikes are left in driveways without chains, and cars are left unlocked. I can't stand being in big cities for more than a few hours, it feels inhuman.

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Post by kbelder »

lolc wrote: post #155
mcv wrote: post #131

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"Somehow"? How are these community leads assigned?

Look like the least jittery person is assigned :-)

I like the concept of appointing the least active participant as moderator.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by RajT88 »

int_19h wrote: post #113
RajT88 wrote: post #79

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Next-door is filled with dark patterns. Some, I actually admire. For example: Debates about national politics are against the TOS. Makes sense, they don't want a locally focused forum turning into the usual partisan cesspool. So when inevitably threads turn to national partisan politics, there seems to be some flag which is toggled. You might get notifications about replies to your posts, but click yields "This comme…

Anybody can flag a post or a comment on Nextdoor, and people do so quite a lot. Most of it is "this guy said something I don't like", but depending on the person reporting, they might be savvy enough to look up a rule that's actually violated by the post/comment they didn't like. Leads of neighborhoods where the post/comment showed up then get a notification to vote on whether to delete it or to keep it.

Ah, but for these threads you get the "this post has been deleted" for many posts which 100% are still there. It just takes extra work to be able to see them.

Once you have seen it and dug into it a bit, it feels very intentional and sneaky.

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Post by harpersealtako »

powerslacker wrote: post #212
harpersealtako wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so contrary to my experiences living in suburbs/exurbs most of my life that I'm honestly not exactly sure how we came to such polar opposite beliefs. The most alienating, dehumanizing, isolated environments I've ever lived in are large and medium cities and apartments, while the most welcoming, strong communities I've been a part of have been suburbs, exurbs and rural areas.

I live in the suburbs and I have a similar view. Kids play in the street unsupervised, well-behaved dogs are free to roam, bikes are left in driveways without chains, and cars are left unlocked. I can't stand being in big cities for more than a few hours, it feels inhuman.

I get why some people like cities. Especially kids who don't want to be tied down, who want to be able to explore who they are, who want to see and be part of something bigger than their hometown. There's plenty of things to love about cities, from the convenience of the nightlife/food culture, to the "pulse" of the city, the feeling that something is always happening at any time of day, the compassionate social compromises residents adopt to accommodate the diversity of backgrounds of people, etc.

But there's a reason the plurality of Americans choose and prefer to live in suburbs. It's deeper than just "outdated 20th century city planning". It's something specific about American culture, community, etc. that resists specific generalizations.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by phil21 »

harpersealtako wrote: post #215
powerslacker wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the suburbs and I have a similar view. Kids play in the street unsupervised, well-behaved dogs are free to roam, bikes are left in driveways without chains, and cars are left unlocked. I can't stand being in big cities for more than a few hours, it feels inhuman.

I get why some people like cities. Especially kids who don't want to be tied down, who want to be able to explore who they are, who want to see and be part of something bigger than their hometown. There's plenty of things to love about cities, from the convenience of the nightlife/food culture, to the "pulse" of the city, the feeling that something is always happening at any time of day, the compassionate social comp…

I'm not making a case for dense urban living. I understand many do not prefer that form of living, in fact I'd say most do not. Something in between dense living and what we are currently building in the US seems most prudent to me, but I'm simply an observer.

My experiences in the suburbs were not remotely near yours, and I spent nearly all my life in them throughout the US - including raising a kid. In my experience, those sorts of vibrant communities only seemed to exist in a few select "older" suburbs (aka suburbs with downtowns) from where I was from. I agree those look great.

It also certainly depends on personality. In my experience, unless you enjoy a very structured social life you simply will not have one. I have seen many folks end up slowly just spending most of their time indoors in front of the TV/computer cut off from the world. This is at least a bit harder to do in an environment not basically built to optimize that condition. I enjoy going out with a friend on a random Wednesday night, but I don't enjoy planning on that activity a week in advance.

It's an interesting topic to me. I think of my Grandfather's house in what could only be called a prototypical suburbs of the 1950's and I can absolutely see that life being amazing. The same life in a 2000's era suburb just seems like an utterly different living experience to me - almost alien in nature when I lived there.

That and the whole financial sustainability of the endless expansionist sprawl is highly suspect to me.

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Post by jjav »

phil21 wrote: post #198
tablespoon wrote: post #196

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> This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears. Did you poll them all? > I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart, and the "bubble" it put so many citizens in I believe is…

> No. The suburbs are fine, it's social media that will get us. Strong disagree. The decline of US civic life/institutions has been growing far before social media came on the scene. 13 year old me understood this fact just watching the Greatest Generation interact vs. the Boomers. The fear-based culture of the suburbs existed since I was born, with local talk radio functioning as the NextDoor of the ye olde days giv…

> The fear-based culture of the suburbs existed since I was born

Well my anecdote is the opposite. I once lived in a high-rise, and in that environment never met or knew anyone. Everyone fast-walks from the elevator to their door and go in. There are no common spaces so there's zero opportunity to meet anyone. Also, because the conditions are so tight everyone is hypersensitive about any sound through the walls etc so they're constantly complaining about everyone else.

Here in the suburbs, everyone spends time outside so I know all my neighbors, it's much more social and connected.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by tablespoon »

phil21 wrote: post #198
tablespoon wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears. Did you poll them all? > I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart, and the "bubble" it put so many citizens in I believe is…

> No. The suburbs are fine, it's social media that will get us. Strong disagree. The decline of US civic life/institutions has been growing far before social media came on the scene. 13 year old me understood this fact just watching the Greatest Generation interact vs. the Boomers. The fear-based culture of the suburbs existed since I was born, with local talk radio functioning as the NextDoor of the ye olde days giv…

> Strong disagree. The decline of US civic life/institutions has been growing far before social media came on the scene. 13 year old me understood this fact just watching the Greatest Generation interact vs. the Boomers.

I suppose it could pre-date social media, but I don't think the reason for it is suburban living itself or the antidote is something explicitly anti-suburban, like bulldozing suburbs and piling people into high-density housing or something like that.

> Humans are not built to only interact with those exactly like them on their own terms.

I'm not so sure about that. I'd imagine that through the vast bulk of human history, most did only interact with people from their own small, insular communities who were very much like themselves.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

I think it depends on the neighborhood. Here it's mostly harmless. A couple pot shots here and there but mostly people share recommendations, list lost pets, announce HOA meetings and local news. I did see one physical threat one time but that guy was gone by the time I checked out the post again, mods had deleted him and people moved on. That said I don't use my real name or say where I live other than a large neighborhood.

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

Georgelemental wrote: post #170
nyanpasu64 wrote: post #117

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If only it were that easy... - Mandatory software updates can change UIs that run on """your""" machines. - I still remember when I was running Debian Unstable, the day I ran a routine upgrade which replaced GNOME 2 with GNOME 3, I couldn't find my way around, and couldn't even easily revert because Linux distributions ship all their software in synchronized packages with interdependencies, and aren't built around pi…

You chose to run software with "unstable" in the name, when there is a free "stable" version you could use instead. You opted in to unexpected, disrupted changes

Chill, I was young and new to Linux at the time, and Stable had outdated versions of packages I wanted.
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