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Post by drewcoo »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #155
flavius29663 wrote: post #153

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I never understood the violence argument. There are 1 million transgender people in the US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/ There are 44 murders against them in 2021, which apparently was the worse year ever. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... This is a murder rate of 44/1mil, or 4.4/100k. The general population murder rate is 6.9 in 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/us/us…

> trans people do tend to get into more risky behavior What risky behaviour are you referring to?

I assumed that meant drug smuggling, joining the mafia, befriending serial killers, and pissing off ninjas, but now I'm curious, too.

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Post by bryans »

ipspam wrote: post #199
aeturnum wrote: post #125

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> I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. You say you're part of several vulnerable populations, but you don't ask the world to "accommodate" you - but the complains trans people have about Chappelle are not about 'making their lives easier.' Where transphobia (or any prejudicial viewpoint) comes into play is refusing to take vulnerable populations' viewpoints seriously. When trans people poin…

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Post by dahart »

zionic wrote: post #166
thomasfedb wrote: post #143

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Given that you've clearly decided that trans activists have "delusions" I'm not sure there's much hope, however... - What changes to your language are they demanding? If you mean they ask you to refer to them in a particular way, then this is not an uncommon thing. People often ask to be referred to in a particular way. For example, most people don't like being called "fruitloop". - If what you mean by "anti-scientif…

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You are aware of the existence of physically intersex, hermaphroditic, and androgynous humans? Are you aware that trans identifying people frequently exhibit physiological characteristics, such as extremely low sperm count in born-male people? Are you aware of the existence of cultures that officially recognize multiple genders, like in Samoa, Mexico, India, & Chile?

Your own example of race is telling, since race is not binary. What race should someone call themselves, if they have a father from Finland, a mother from Zimbabwe, and are born in Germany are a German citizen and only speak German?

What are you scared of? Why are you offended enough by what gender someone else feels to call it delusions and lies? Is it a lie to call someone Nathan when they ask you to?

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Post by rendall »

flavius29663 wrote: post #153
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #92

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I never understood the violence argument. There are 1 million transgender people in the US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/ There are 44 murders against them in 2021, which apparently was the worse year ever. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... This is a murder rate of 44/1mil, or 4.4/100k. The general population murder rate is 6.9 in 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/us/us…

Yeah, I might question that line about "more risky behavior", too. [citation needed], as they say. Unless you mean "being trans" is the risky behavior?

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Post by nautilius »

chmod600 wrote: post #202
nautilius wrote: post #101

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Not sure what that steep price is you would pay to 'accommodate' trans people? It requires nothing on your part except for acknowledging and respecting their existence.

Is it OK to have sports leagues that exclude biological males in order to promote athleticism among biological females?

For me that's the only interesting discussion to be had here. Separation into female and male leagues were installed partially because of sex (so that it's fairer), but initially mainly because of gender (women must not do the same fun things we do).

Then again, it is 'unfair' that Simone Biles has the physique she has that fits to her chosen sport better than mine; Michael Phelps likewise; Alex Honnold processes fear differently from most of us, etc.

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Post by ryzvonusef »

okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

on trans issues:

one thing that struck me is how different views on transgenderism are in the US, for example, than my country.

In my country, transgender actually FOUGHT for the right to NOT be counted as a man or a women, and finally won the right to be counted as a third gender, with the rights that follow it.

That mean that, the slogans here are NOT, for example, that "Transwomen are Women" but instead, "transwomen are TRANSwomen" (i.e. don't lump them with man/women, labels which are considered cis-specific.) or that they demanded SEPERATE bathrooms for their gender, and DON'T want to be forced to be use men/women bathrooms.

Such opinions would be considered extremely transphobic in the US, but are what trans-people actively fought for here.

I'm not saying my country is a beacon for LGBTQ+ rights, simply pointing out that issues that the western Transgender community face (Gender Identifications issues from TERFs, or bathroom related panics) would simply be a non-issue here because the clash simply doesn't arise in the first place!

Women wouldn't feel threatened by transwomen, because they would never want to step into each other's territories in anyway.

I am not sure what the ideal is, just that western trans community might need to look at a global view and realize that perhaps what they consider transphobic, are actually sought-for rights by members of their own community in the East, and how they can better move forwards in this regards.

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also, I do need to highlight that rules do not translate into ground realities, which are often bleak regardless of legislation. Discrimination and violent attacks are rampant here, we are in no way a utopia.

but here are some links which might better explain what I was trying to convey:

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/pakistan-s-1st-trans...

https://www.reuters.com/article/Pakistan-transgender-census/...

https://www.npr.org/2012/09/03/160496712/pakistans-transgend...

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/pakistan-issues-land...

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Post by hemreldop »

okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

Dave Chapelle is a hero. Downvote me all you want but drawing a distinction between sex and gender is pure delusion at best and a mental disease at worst.

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Post by robonerd »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #154
robonerd wrote: post #31

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What they mean is they want the selection of content to be done by the people specifically hired and empowered to select content, using the official channels created specifically for this selection process. What they don't want is mobs of workers lower on the totem pole trying to impose their will on management through walkouts/etc.

I broadly agree that some people, mostly on more extreme ends of the political spectrum, are trying to censor views they disagree with in a way that is potentially dangerous for a free society. However, I strongly believe that every employee of a company (and every shareholder) carries a small amount of the moral culpability for their company's actions. To purposefully choose an extreme example, would you be willing…

I agree with your points. Right or wrong, it seems plainly evident that the reputation of a company will rub off on the workers. It's logically in the interests of workers to protest against company decisions that will harm their own reputations. But it's also logically in the interest of management to maintain control over the direction of a company, so they're going to push back whenever workers try to have their way.

My point above is simply: This isn't a battle of censors vs anticensors; it's a power struggle between workers vs managers. Workers want power to guide content, but Netflix management wants to keep that power for themselves. Netflix management are not anticensors. The power to censor is being contested, not opposed.

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Post by hemreldop »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #92
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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Post by CharlesW »

zionic wrote: post #210
CharlesW wrote: post #164

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I remember when the first person I knew disclosed that they were trans. The pronoun thing was weird for a day or two. But it's no more a burden than using "they" with you since I don't know your gender. Calling trans people "delusional" is transphobic. If you don't think of yourself as intolerant, you're probably experiencing cognitive dissonance about the whole thing. If you're not homophobic, ask yourself why you'r…

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