Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11

Post by mdp2021 » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:39 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #160

joebob42 wrote: post #6

I don't understand who wants this. does any of their actual constituency want it? Or is it literally just the actual elected officials getting power hungry? Stuff like abortion, etc where I don't really understand the other side. I've at least met real people who are pro life. I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways.

Really? I meet "regular"(non tech) people all the time who really believe that full surveillance is the only way to stop pedophiles and terrorists and all kinds of criminals - and who absolutely have no issue with any of this. You can try using the usual privacy-focussed arguments with them but it all falls on deaf ears.

Post by reedjosh » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #194

reedjosh wrote: post #17

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> since we (the vast majority of people) were also screwed over without representative government. Without government we at least had choice. I think you're needlessly cynical. Humans can organize themselves quite well when they have maximum choice as individuals. The robber barons of the early nineteenth century were bolstered by governments--not hindered. Governments have always been corrupt.

Without government we had a choice, and we chose to create governments. Government was not dropped on our heads by the robber barons, it has been invented and re-invented throughout human history by regular people who need to solve problems. > Humans can organize themselves quite well when they have maximum choice as individuals. Yes, and then you’ll need a word to describe the collective actions of the organized hum…

Post by ryandrake » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:43 PM UTC

rrsmtz wrote: post #178

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #89

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>Unless you're pre-informed on the issues, whoever presents it to you can just pick the side that gets you to the answer they want. You don't need to be "pre-informed". You just need to be skeptical. Some knowledge of history is a good start.

Hence the recent crackdown on “misinformation”. Skepticism and dissent can’t be prevented, but its spread can be suppressed. Many otherwise good people have fallen hook line and sinker for the “misinformation pandemic” propaganda campaign.

Post by reedjosh » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:44 PM UTC

Tade0 wrote: post #152

codeguro wrote: post #95

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Get a firearm and train with it. Your government prevents you from defending yourself effectively.

Great solution for adult, able-bodied people. Much less so for minors, the elderly and the blind.

Post by npteljes » Tue, May 10, 2022, 7:50 PM UTC

alwayslikethis wrote: post #111

fuckcensorship wrote: post #82

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I have come to accept that the only long-term solution to digital privacy must be in the form of technology. No amount of vigilance and democracy will be able to keep the wolves away forever.

It has not really been a technological problem for a long time. End to end encryption is mature technology. Human institutions require humans to function, and humans are easily swayed based on circumstances in a way that make them willing to simply hand over their rights.