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Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Burnout has become such a catch-all term as to be effectively meaningless by now. In our professional lives, we are used to set quantified KPIs in a SMART way, and I wonder, why is it that our expectations are so comparatively low in our personal lives?

>In our professional lives, we are used to set quantified KPIs in a SMART way In your opinion do you think that's been working well for the industry?

I don't find KPIs terribly useful in the software development at the level of an IC (which is btw my own level), unless we talk about performance & latency of large services where it is very useful and helps save millions. Software IC is special because motivation-wise it is almost self-sustaining, which is evident from massive open-source participation and pet projects.

On the contrary, at larger scale (starting from middle management and all the way to the top), I have an educated opinion that structured measurement of KPIs and clearly defined goals is what differentiates "tech" companies from all the rest - which is to say, tech-companies are known for their powerful growth.

It's really obvious in the hindsight: managers are usually pretty disillusioned types and will avoid doing hard work unless properly incentivized, thus fine-grained unforgeable growth-adjacent KPIs are really at the heart of the tech-company's success. Overall corporation's fast growth is a direct consequence of the synergy of KPI growth across the org-chart.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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This must be very common right now? I'm at the exact same point with Vue3. 10+ years of experience, created two fulls stacks sass'es as a Tech Lead but i feel so slow learning this new stuff. Just installed a starter kit and been endlessly fiddling with a simple test frontend and couldn't get basic reactivity to work. I feel the documentation is riddled with advanced concepts and everything is way, WAY more complex t…

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Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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So what are your goals? 1 - Wake up happy each day? 2 - Do not use social media? 3 - Sleep 8 hours per day? 4 - Walk 3000 steps per day? 5 - I fail to see how a personality test can measure mental clarity? Even if they aren't useless constructs. Thought "core self-evalutions" if taken regularly can be a good indicator of issue. 6 - Not sure what are you measuring. Work memory? 7 - "Available crystallized intelligence…

My goals, as I have already said, are pretty obvious: find a good set of lifestyle changes (including exercise types and patterns, diet, sleep conditions, outdoor activities, supplements and drugs, but also including choice of country & city to live in), so these metrics are optimized in good direction, and I feel better. I tried less systemic approach and it didn't work for me. In my impression our genetic makeup te…

> If you accept fundamentally mechanistic view of nature, biology and ourselves, you might as well position yourself to reap the benefits.

You're missing my point. What I deny is the usefulness of presented frameworks and tools. But it's fine if it's working for you and can work for others.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Your problem is very simple: you are working on bullshit. Across your entire description of your situation you never once mentioned what it is you are actually working on but called out the income you hit and frameworks you are playing with. I humbly submit that your problem is that you have lost the plot. Hate to break it to you chief but the libraries and frameworks and techniques you use to work are not the point.…

That doesn't explain why OP was able to learn and do bullshit before.

Maybe when you're starting out, this kind of work doesn't feel as much like bullshit because you don't have enough experience to differentiate. It feels like you're on your path to becoming a better engineer and the struggles ultimately seem worth it. But I bet once you hit a certain point, having to wrangle with the same flavor of bullshit you did 3, 5, 10+ years ago feels a lot more soul sucking. It doesn't feel like becoming a better engineer like it once did because, in OPs case, learning the syntax/structure of a new JS framework doesn't feel like the sort of vertical learning it once did. You probably want to learn new, more advanced concepts, not "I know how to do this in React - how do I do this in ?"

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Agree. I hate my job and clock watch. But I enjoy other things in life. When I get screened for depression it never comes up as a problem. So it seems you can be fine and still watch the clock.

Have you considered living frugally and investing most of your income into stock index & crypto to become financially independent?

That would be nice. I have a family to support and make under $100k. Financial independence is decades away at best.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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You can still learn. I've experienced what you describe many times. Two suggestions for you.

First, what you describe sounds like burnout. Do some research about it for yourself, both what it's like and how to fix it. You're not lazy and you're not dumb. You have more capability and potential today due to your experience than you ever did any time in your past. But you do need to take care of yourself, and as you research burnout you will get ideas of how.

Second, when learning new things, you must give yourself the space to learn. For example, when I went to go learn Angular 2, I was already expert in older ways of doing web development and other technologies such as games and mobile, so I figured I'd give myself a week to learn angular, and in the final days of that week also begin the prototype of the project I was getting into Angular for in the first place. Also, I'd go ahead and start using the basic ideas of Redux. While learning, I was stressing out the entire time about how these trivial examples I was working on were probably not going to add up to the project prototype I needed to create by next week. The stress of the time crunch, combined with the fact that I was punishing myself for being too dumb to learn this in a few days inhibited my ability to learn. When you're learning something new, give yourself the space and time you need to learn it, and do not pressure yourself by trying to conflate project deadlines into the learning. The learning is the project for now; the business project must become a secondary concern to be worried about later, until you have the skills and experience with the technology you need to complete the project.

Also it's probably best to try to learn only one new technology at a time; don't switch to a new database and a new visual framework and a new web framework and also start using Typescript for the first time, all on the same project. Not unless you've got a year or something just to learn and nothing is going to be due on a specific date.

Be kind to yourself. When you're talking to yourself, talk to yourself about this the way you would with someone that you love.

p.s. Feeling like you're inadequate is a common side effect of learning. I've come to recognize it as a sign that I've got this. It's darkest before the dawn. 'Learning is not child's play; we cannot learn without pain.' - Aristotle

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Disclaimer: This isn't going to help you, just a self-meta comment about most of the other comments here. I'm wondering if someone else feels like this.

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It's funny to read all of this, because it always felt like this for me. I think I skipped the "this is fun and easy" part and went straight to the "what is all of this? Why are there so many frameworks? What are all those annotations? How are they all mixed together and somehow this works but only if written in arcane ways? Why is everything so overengineered and complicated?"

I also never thought the problems I'm solving are significant in any way. So doing it for the paycheck alone is my default mode of operation.

I never stopped feeling confused by the tech I'm using. There is just too much tech. Each new project another round of more tech to learn. As consequence, I now focus on understanding a base layer of project related tech in order to get things done. Most of it is going to be irrelevant with the next project anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

#220

Your problem is very simple: you are working on bullshit. Across your entire description of your situation you never once mentioned what it is you are actually working on but called out the income you hit and frameworks you are playing with. I humbly submit that your problem is that you have lost the plot. Hate to break it to you chief but the libraries and frameworks and techniques you use to work are not the point.…

Seems like projection, and everyone upvoting this is sharing in it because it's the case for the vast majority of us.
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