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Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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WalterBright wrote: post #203
PaulHoule wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately people see accessibility as a burden that a small minority puts on the rest of us, but really it is something that benefits everyone. For instance, normally sighted people or even people with "normal" nearsightedness, farsightedness, or presbyopia benefit from adequate contrast. Text "size" is another thing because people should be able to control it, particularly given the wide range of different devic…

I have the default font size boosted slightly. A large percentage of web sites and applications don't work with it, the text is cut off. Even ones from Microsoft. The irony is you have to work to get this to not work. HTML by default will render just fine. Developers just can't resist customizing it so it doesn't work. My web sites use plain HTML as much as possible. They're derided for being "Web 1.0", but they work…

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Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by WalterBright »

kenjackson wrote: post #71
rootusrootus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... a small minority ... presbyopia ... I think what you just indirectly pointed out is that software is largely written by young, ignorant people who don't appreciate that everyone will get to experience presbyopia, and it happens sooner than you think. Maybe we should require product owners to be at least 40 years old ;-).

I've become "that guy" in presentations who constantly tells people "fonts too small", "can't read cause the contrast isn't enough", etc... My hope over time is that I stop being invited to meetings or people actually take the time to fix their presentations before it is presented to a wider audience.

My presentations use the defaults on Impact - big fonts, black on white, no border, no decoration.

From time to time people complain and say I need to "get with it", but not a single person has complained they couldn't read them from the back of the room!

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by danuker »

efitz wrote: post #199

If we want a free and open internet, why is the current web designed to let server owners control our experience? This leads to accessibility fails like the inability for visually challenged people to control font size or contrast, but also leads to lots of other bad effects, like the fact that my browser gets more and more bloated every year and essentially has become a tool to let other people run programs (javascr…

> why is the current web designed to let server owners control our experience?

Because the most popular web browsers ARE created by some of the largest server owners (i.e. Google).

To address this, make sure your site works with simple browsers, like Links and lynx.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by r00fus »

I have setup for myself and my parents that all mobile Safari sites automatically go to reader mode. Reader mode does not prevent zoom, copying, etc.

It's just one click to remove it for form-based websites (a few steps to whitelist if you're going to use that web form a lot), but the readability for the vast majority of websites is drastically improved.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by Ensorceled »

HWR_14 wrote: post #161
dreamcompiler wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because almost all web design happens on computer screens, not mobile devices. More important, all web designers show their bosses their creations on a big computer screen in a conference room--the bigger the better so everybody can go "oooh!" and "aaaah!" and the designer can get a big fat raise. I expect it's fairly rare for the employer of a web designer to give a shit what the site looks like on a ph…

What's strange about that is that a collection of old devices is very cheap. It's trivial to have a box and test them.

"People using those devices are not our target demographic."

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by zachflower »

egberts1 wrote: post #195

As a disabled person, I totally recoiled and revulsed at the OP’s audacity and emboldeness to demand how other should behave toward him. I would never pull someone down to sit down to my eye level if in a wheelchair, never. I would never pull someone closer to me so I can read lips better. And certainly I would never remotely pull them to something that I want, as in this case, digital remote camera. However, it is a…

I'm so sorry, I'm not 100% sure I understand this comment.

Would you mind explaining what you mean by asking others to adjust for your sake in the context of mobile web accessibility? I'm having trouble connecting it to the content of the article. I'm not the writer, but would love to better understand your point of view here.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by hedora »

realstacktrace wrote: post #206

Who else read "zoom" and thought "Zoom"?

As, in "what does it mean to disable it, and how do I?"

Some corporate training long ago had "I can't see videos" and "I can't hear things" toggles that were not mutually exclusive.

If you set it to "Hellen Keller mode", you could just read the training at your own pace. It was glorious.

Thank you, accessiblity advocates!

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by JJMcJ »

rootusrootus wrote: post #33
PaulHoule wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately people see accessibility as a burden that a small minority puts on the rest of us, but really it is something that benefits everyone. For instance, normally sighted people or even people with "normal" nearsightedness, farsightedness, or presbyopia benefit from adequate contrast. Text "size" is another thing because people should be able to control it, particularly given the wide range of different devic…

> ... a small minority ... presbyopia ... I think what you just indirectly pointed out is that software is largely written by young, ignorant people who don't appreciate that everyone will get to experience presbyopia, and it happens sooner than you think. Maybe we should require product owners to be at least 40 years old ;-).

Also color blindness and low contrast.
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