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Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)

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Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)

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Post by mrkurt »

baggiponte wrote: post #193
mrkurt wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the most interesting part of this is the PaaS disaggregation. Heroku built an exceptionally good Postgres service. They could not have done that with multiple DBs. Even their redis is pretty meh. People like us (Fly.io) will end up either building very mediocre DB offerings or collaborating with DB companies (like yours: https://www.crunchydata.com/products/crunchy-bridge/ ) to ship stuff that's substantially…

I am a total newbie here - you speak of DBs because of the backend that needs to be set up to host the users' app?

Yes, exactly.

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Post by mrkurt »

pech0rin wrote: post #180
sandGorgon wrote: post #175

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correct. RDS does not even let you do a true, vanilla postgres backup to s3. the lock-in is complete

You can easily use pg_dump to do a "vanilla" backup to s3. Its a managed db service but if you wanted to run your own you can extract your data and move to a new db. The lock is not "complete" you are acting like you can't even extract your data.

"Only export your data with pg_dump" is one of those misfeatures that makes RDS mediocre. They don't really expose much of the power of the underlying DB.

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Post by justjake »

emptysongglass wrote: post #171
justjake wrote: post #31

Warning: There are a couple people in this thread mentioning products that they're investors in. I won't call them out expressly, but I think people should be direct about their incentive alignments. It's disingenuous and borders on astroturfing IMO. Background: Founder of Railway.app here. There's a lot of these companies popping up that offer a "Heroku replacement", and once you dive in, you realize you have to pay…

Personal criticism of Railway: every time I emailed Railway to request to be unsubbed from the newsletter and my account fully deleted without a trace no one ever replied (the unsubscribe link in the newsletter was broken). It left a really sour taste in my mouth.

Sigh. I swear I emailed everyone who ended up in that state, but it might have gone to spam cause well, we had this issue indeed.

We had some pretty massive issues with an email provider. Have since switched to Postmark. Apologies there and totally understand that absolutely blows.

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Post by 93po »

Heroku disabled my entire account with zero notice due to a fraudulant DMCA takedown notice, costing me tens of thousands of dollars. I struggled to be able to speak to anyone, and when I finally got a hold of someone, they treated me like a criminal despite making it clear I was the victim. Really shitty attitude, and the end result was getting my account reinstated but only with a "don't let this happen again, shithead" sort of treatment.

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Post by BarryMilo »

anurag wrote: post #163
BarryMilo wrote: post #162

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Dumb question I couldn't quickly glean from the website, does Render integrate well with gitlab-ci? Also while I have you, do you support deploying to Canadian regions? Thanks!

Render integrates with Gitlab repos, and you can use deploy hooks from any CI provider (including gitlab-ci): https://render.com/docs/deploy-hooks We don't have a Canadian region yet, but we'll get there!

Thanks!

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Post by fomb »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #39
krallja wrote: post #26

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> we haven't been able to deploy for over two weeks What is stopping you? Are you unable to type `git push heroku master`?

* It was automated. Now it requires someone to pay attention and do it. You need to check if CI passed, and pull, and be sure you pulled the version that passed CI (maybe someone pushed since then). * Review apps, the only remaining heroku "killer feature", do not work at all. The fact that this has been broken for 2 weeks tells you everything thing you need to know about the state of their code base, and the resourc…

ex-Heroku here.

The codebase is sound. I would almost certainly expect that the reason for the slowness is the ability/diligence and paranoia levels the SFDC security teams have. They won't want to turn this back on until they are absolutely certain it's 100% again.

Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)

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Post by fomb »

dml2135 wrote: post #16

I'm at a small startup (about 8 engineers) and for the most part Heroku has been a great solution for a team of our size. However, the recent github incident was a major PITA for us, and has us seriously considering leaving the platform for the first time. We're still working on getting all of our automated deployments back up and running. In addition, we had just put in some work to start using the Review Apps featu…

Github actions are your friend friend: https://github.com/AkhileshNS/heroku-deploy https://github.com/pmbanugo/heroku-review-app-actions

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Post by fomb »

henryaj wrote: post #191
jacobsenscott wrote: post #111

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FWIW that's a "soft limit". I've deployed slugs over that limit without trouble. Idk if they have a hard limit.

Hard limit is 500MB.

Which isn't hard. Support can increase it, but there are some proviso's such as increased deploy/boot time

Re: Why companies move off Heroku (besides the cost)

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Post by heartbreak »

mtlynch wrote: post #145
heartbreak wrote: post #143

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Well here is you (with your disclosure) participating in a discussion on the topic a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31053504 You’re as capable as I am of searching HN for mentions of your service.

He's responding to someone who specifically mentioned their experience using Render. I don't consider that shilling. I personally like seeing that kind of direct engagement from founders on HN.

Yeah, that’s not shilling, but it is in direct opposition to what they stated in their comment here about not participating in any discussions about Heroku.

I’m calling attention to my inability to trust this person and their company’s marketing tactics.

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Post by badestrand »

intrepidsoldier wrote: post #106
bradleybuda wrote: post #91

We're big Heroku customers; despite that, I largely agree with the points in this article and there's a voice in the back of my head asking every few months "is this worth it?" Whenever I research the new crop of Heroku clones (the one being hawked here, and others) the pitch is always "it's just like Heroku but you can run it in your own cloud". It's mind-boggling to me that none of the clones understands that I DON…

I had written down some thought about the various compute options available to run apps. One of my takeaways was exactly this - "Run your own PaaS on Cloud IaaS" seems too much work for too little gain. https://ramansharma.substack.com/p/multiple-stops-on-the-clo...

As always it depends on the context. I worked in a company where we streamed video to millions of end users and it was 10x cheaper to operate our own datacenter instead of renting cloud things for that. We also used hosted cloud offerings where it made sense, for other applications.
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