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What chords do you need?

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

bambax wrote: post #137
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #133

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After accidentally abandoning my likes/dislikes and disengaging disgust, my experience of music viscerally changed. I can enjoy all music now. So much of it is conditioning, maybe all of it. There's conditioning around chords, progressions, dissonance, harmony, repetition, subjective ideas of what constitutes music, and so much more. The only way to prove it isn't mere conditioning is to remove the conditioning and t…

This is so true -- to a point. One can still have likes and dislikes, provided it's their own.

"Provided it's their own"

What would be an example of if it's their own or not, and would it actually make a difference?

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

djsavvy wrote: post #180
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #133

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After accidentally abandoning my likes/dislikes and disengaging disgust, my experience of music viscerally changed. I can enjoy all music now. So much of it is conditioning, maybe all of it. There's conditioning around chords, progressions, dissonance, harmony, repetition, subjective ideas of what constitutes music, and so much more. The only way to prove it isn't mere conditioning is to remove the conditioning and t…

Love to hear this. How did you accidentally abandon your likes and dislikes?

Here's instructions for the practice I adopted. Note: how it's executed makes a difference. The initial acknowledgment of opposites (this will make more sense after reading the instructions) needs to be done compassionately, and not dismissively. There may need to be more steps at the beginning to, otherwise it's a little gaslighty. It worked great internally as is, and I think it may have trained callousness in me in the long-term when applied in relationships with other people.

So I did it by choosing to abandon all judgment and then reframing perspectives I heard using the words "like" and "dislike." The reframing always had in it "I can learn to enjoy everything."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29764591

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Post by spopejoy »

fallingfrog wrote: post #210
willismichael wrote: post #156

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It's also used in Hotel California. Maybe it doesn't show up much in pop/rock/country, but it's not uncommon in jazz.

Hmm I don’t hear it, where? I hear: vi III V II IV I ii III And the chorus IV I V vi IV I ii III

If you interpret vi as the root (my preference for songs in a minor key) then that ii is a minor IV.

Re: What chords do you need?

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Post by rawling »

jefftk wrote: post #50
klodolph wrote: post #34

A couple notes > While it's almost always I, IV, V, and vi, we have both II/ii and III/iii, differing on whether the third is major or minor. This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. For example, the II chord may be written as V/V. (V/V is always II, but not the other way around... the "/" notation indicates that the chord is func…

> This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. Sorry, that's not something I'd seen. Edited the post to switch to "or". > The terminology "open chords" is also a bit unusual. The term "open chords" usually refers to chords that use open strings (strings that are not fingered). Looking some, you're totally right. I'm confused where I p…

I'd call that an "open 5th". That might come from a classical pov.

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Post by partomniscient »

coldtea wrote: post #195
moron4hire wrote: post #131

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I have never heard such a complaint about his videos. Most? There are enough musicians in the world, on YouTube, and in my family that they would have called it out. I call shenanigans and say it is you, sir, who are wrong or misleading

Most musicians are ignorant of the deeper music theory - even jazz musicians like Neely, except on a standard level (which any jazz musician does). You need a trained composer and/or musicologist for that. Neely himself is not some music theory guru, he is a Berklee alumni who plays jazz, those are a dime a dozen.

That's a bit harsh. He's the one engaging an audience on more than one front performing as both a musician and successful YouTuber which the others aren't, and doing us a service as such exposing us to stuff we'll otherwise not ever encounter. He's publicly learning, including sharing his mistakes and entertaining and tries to keep 'fun' as part of journey. You may consider him a dime a dozen, but he's very far away from where I am, and therefore valueable to someone like me.

At some point claiming the person at the top of the ivory tower is the only one that knows the worth of something is useless if you can't get them to communicate with you.

Like anything you can really deep dive and get lost in you can end up lonely places that outsiders can't fathom. I found it quite poignant in Steven Levy's 'Hackers' book where Lee Felenstein remarks on all the focus on computer progress "You're doing all that the the computer? What are you doing for the people?"

You can still participate and get a value and joy out of something whilst being ignorant of its formations and there's nothing wrong with that. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants so to speak.

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Post by bskrobisz »

coliveira wrote: post #202
declnz wrote: post #192

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I agree with the sentiment but not the 90% figure here.

Again, it may not look like it, but if you analyze the chords and their substitutions, that's what you get. The genius of jazz is to make everything look more complicated than what it really is.

While I also agree with the sentiment, I do think it's a little bit like saying "90% of all programming is flow control and assignments"--it hinges on wide definitions that can be contextually helpful, harmful, or both. Resolving to those chords from tones that are outside of the key? Tritone substitutions? Modulations that change what chords exactly ii, V, and i are? &c.

I think it also depends on what jazz is actually being discussed -- it applies well to most jazz standards, but a lot of modern jazz and jazz-adjacent (or perhaps just what I'm familiar with) seems to gravitate heavily towards nonfunctional harmony.

Re: What chords do you need?

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Post by jefftk »

rawling wrote: post #214
jefftk wrote: post #50

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> This might be a bit confusing as written, because the slash "/" is normally used in roman numerals to indicate secondary chords. Sorry, that's not something I'd seen. Edited the post to switch to "or". > The terminology "open chords" is also a bit unusual. The term "open chords" usually refers to chords that use open strings (strings that are not fingered). Looking some, you're totally right. I'm confused where I p…

I'd call that an "open 5th". That might come from a classical pov.

That makes sense! I'd probably turned "open fifth" into "open chord"

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Post by morberg »

jancsika wrote: post #153
lb1lf wrote: post #143

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Francis Rossi, of Status Quo fame/notoriety, depending on who you ask, quipped when presented with some award or other - "Wow! Twenty-five years. Three chords. Thank you!" I love it when people do not take themselves too seriously.

Look, I'm just a caveman. I fell in some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know: When composers want to emphasize the chord they're about to play, they will often choose a new chord consisting of notes within a step or half-step of the original. And they will quickly play that new chord as a way to smoothly introduce the…

The Mozart chord looks like a G# min major 7 to me, or am I missing something?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_major_seventh_chord

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