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Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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trinsic2 wrote: post #186
BuckRogers wrote: post #173

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Sovereignty of a nation is built on the sovereign individuals. Only a free man can build a free nation. It bubbles up, rather than comes from top down. I'm an "actions, not words" type of guy. Putin claims many things in this world, they're threatened etc. We all know it's a lie. You must watch Russia's actions, not their words. How many times have we learned this? Watch what they've done, not what they say. You're r…

Thank you for speaking what I was going to say. The idea that people are subject to government agenda's is wholly inaccurate. Governments are made up of people to protect the interests of individuals, not the other way around.

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Post by sangnoir »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #200
sangnoir wrote: post #197

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Splitting Apple/Google/Facebook/Amazon into 40 smaller tech companies would result in larger tech companies from elsewhere - mostly China - eating American tech industry's lunch on the world stage. Large companies have massive resources which are a competitive advantage. Having these titanic companies headquartered in the US, beholden to American laws, employing Americans, being a symbol of American prowess abroad an…

You are talking about power. I am talking about security. They are related, but different.

There will be security implications when Americans are hypothetically mostly using Chinese tech (Weibo, Didi, Baidu), should it leapfrog a kneecapped US tech industry - unless the US also bans Chinese tech - which would isolate the US and make it less competitive while ceding tech leadership in the rest of the world.

Also, all the botnet-, APT-, ransomware and CSAM investigation & disruption ops would be hampered when the #1 desktop operating system, #1 & #2 phone OS authors, #1 network equipment manufacturer,#1 social network and top 3 cloud providers are no longer under your legal jurisdiction

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Post by paulryanrogers »

sangnoir wrote: post #212
nonrandomstring wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are talking about power. I am talking about security. They are related, but different.

There will be security implications when Americans are hypothetically mostly using Chinese tech (Weibo, Didi, Baidu), should it leapfrog a kneecapped US tech industry - unless the US also bans Chinese tech - which would isolate the US and make it less competitive while ceding tech leadership in the rest of the world. Also, all the botnet-, APT-, ransomware and CSAM investigation & disruption ops would be hampered whe…

Can't the US just cap market share of any company foreign or domestic?

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Post by tomrod »

vvvzxd wrote: post #187
tomrod wrote: post #47

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From your comment, you went unnecessarily political regarding the January 6, 2021 insurrection. In my view, this is why people downvoted your comment. The common narrative is that it was insurrection. It was certainly a dangerous mob driven by Trump and cronies intending to interfere with the US election proceedings without justifiable cause beyond pseudo-creedal feelings that somewhere, somehow, the election was sto…

>The common narrative is that it was insurrection. how many people from Jan 6 have been charged with insurrection?

The event was an insurrection. Several have been charged with seditious conspiracy, as your earlier commenters have pointed out. Others have other charges.

Here is a quick Google result for your perusal: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/all-the-us-capi...

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Post by sangnoir »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #213
sangnoir wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will be security implications when Americans are hypothetically mostly using Chinese tech (Weibo, Didi, Baidu), should it leapfrog a kneecapped US tech industry - unless the US also bans Chinese tech - which would isolate the US and make it less competitive while ceding tech leadership in the rest of the world. Also, all the botnet-, APT-, ransomware and CSAM investigation & disruption ops would be hampered whe…

Can't the US just cap market share of any company foreign or domestic?

How might that be implemented?

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

andrewclunn wrote: post #109
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #29

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>You dont get to make the comment 'twitter is private, free speech only applies to government' because twitter == government. it's true, twitter == government but not twitter === government. Meaning that the conversion happens in the underlying JIT engine where government hacks twitter to do what it wants. So the idea is that you could make a first amendment complaint against the government for hacking twitter if it…

> it's true, twitter == government but not twitter === government. Let's not start coding political documents in JavaScript now. (Insert additional joke about the interpreter engine running on 9 robed meat processors).

Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

sangnoir wrote: post #197
nonrandomstring wrote: post #169

National security is the sum total of the individual earned securities of each citizen, including economic, political, social, health, cultural, military and all sorts of security that pertain to the identity we call a nation. What these guys are talking about is something else. They are talking about the security of the security services, their own self interests and the status quo of enmeshed relations between thre…

Splitting Apple/Google/Facebook/Amazon into 40 smaller tech companies would result in larger tech companies from elsewhere - mostly China - eating American tech industry's lunch on the world stage. Large companies have massive resources which are a competitive advantage. Having these titanic companies headquartered in the US, beholden to American laws, employing Americans, being a symbol of American prowess abroad an…

In that case, perhaps it is best to merge the top 5-10 tech companies into a single tech behemoth, with no potential domestic competition, making it even more formidable on the world stage.

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Post by anamax »

colpabar wrote: post #175
nonrandomstring wrote: post #169

National security is the sum total of the individual earned securities of each citizen, including economic, political, social, health, cultural, military and all sorts of security that pertain to the identity we call a nation. What these guys are talking about is something else. They are talking about the security of the security services, their own self interests and the status quo of enmeshed relations between thre…

I have to ask - by "diverse", do you mean "different people from different backgrounds who have different viewpoints"? Or do you mean "people who all think the same way but have different skin colors"?

Different backgrounds does not imply different viewpoints.

Different viewpoints does not imply different backgrounds.

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Post by tomcam »

tomcam wrote: post #206
BuckRogers wrote: post #165

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The lines are clearer than ever for the 21st century. This century has been kicked off with the world struggle between democracy and totalitarianism. People have a choice. Choose the US/Europe/Japan/South Korea/Taiwan, or, the mideast/Russia/China. Many people voted with their feet, migrating to the former nations. Those people have no room to speak as they already voted. I'm missing some players of course, but gener…

They don’t cower to Putin. He’s quite popular. Russians have loved tsars for centuries. There was an infection point in the 80s and 90s where they could’ve stepped lately into a modern democratic form of government and did not. It does not seem to be the Russian way.

* inflection lol
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