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Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by meatsauce »

Unless you commit and are convicted of an actual crime with your tweet, nothing - absolutely nothing - should result in a blanket ban or deletion of your post. And no, insulting the embedded bloodsuckers that hold congress (and our lives) in an iron grip is not a crime.

We need to go back to the days when sticks and stones broke bones; when words were correctly not "violence" and that your right to not be insulted existed solely in that self-important (but empty) cavern between your ears.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by batch12 »

jeromegv wrote: post #189
batch12 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is entertaining to watch the waves of opinion crash against each other when things happen that people don't like. The cognitive dissonance must must a deafening roar. On one hand, people get miffed when twitter changes their JS to block out quotes of deleted tweets, citing an alteration of the public record. On the other hand, people argue that twitter is not a "public square" and can do what they want with the co…

It's almost like there's a diverse range of opinions and there isn't a monolithic Hackernews.

I have a hard time believing there isn't much crossover between those who want to punt opinions from a mainstream platform and those who want to nail someone down for a comment they made forever

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by [deleted] »

meatsauce wrote: post #211

Unless you commit and are convicted of an actual crime with your tweet, nothing - absolutely nothing - should result in a blanket ban or deletion of your post. And no, insulting the embedded bloodsuckers that hold congress (and our lives) in an iron grip is not a crime. We need to go back to the days when sticks and stones broke bones; when words were correctly not "violence" and that your right to not be insulted ex…

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Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by cxr »

jdrc wrote: post #132
manigandham wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what an is.

iframe is loading a whole page with script permissions (and sandboxed). it seems there isnt any tag for adding a remote snippet of html, like you can do with ajax

What do you mean by "remote snippet of html"? An iframe loads whatever's on the other end of the src URL. If that's a "whole page", then it loads a whole page. If it's just a "snippet" of content, then it loads that. Any snippet you think of can be loaded by iframe exactly as described. The only hitch, really, is that it's always treated as block-level content instead of CSS-style "inline" flow-level content, but that's clearly not relevant to the use case at hand—embedded tweets are already block-level.

It's not clear what you're asking for. (E.g. do you want that snippet not to be sandboxed?)

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by peanut_worm »

why dont you just remove the javascript so they appear as blockquotes? seems a bit dramatic. dont think i would expect twitter to show deleted tweets in the first place, id probably just use a screenshot if its something that i think might be removed.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by arprocter »

tom_ wrote: post #140
simonw wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you want to act as a repository for the public record, you better use your own system." I deliberately chose Twitter's JavaScript because I inspected the design of how it worked and saw that they had deliberately built it in a way that would respect my preferences for how deletion should be handled. They've changed that on me - without even announcing the change. This is a rug-pull. Now I have to replace their co…

Ask for your money back.

You joke, but Twitter Blue exists

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by arprocter »

batch12 wrote: post #176
tofuahdude wrote: post #16

You don't need to use Twitter's JS to show Tweets. If you choose to use their system, you're subject to their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't use their stuff. Calling it "altering the public record" is a little hyperbolic imo. If you want to act as a repository for the public record, you better use your own system. Twitter is under no obligation to retain this kind of stuff on your behalf. I'm not trying…

It is entertaining to watch the waves of opinion crash against each other when things happen that people don't like. The cognitive dissonance must must a deafening roar. On one hand, people get miffed when twitter changes their JS to block out quotes of deleted tweets, citing an alteration of the public record. On the other hand, people argue that twitter is not a "public square" and can do what they want with the co…

The 'private platforms can ban whoever they want to' crowd's reaction to the news of the latest addition to their board has been fun to watch

Talk about a double-edged sword

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by montroser »

medler wrote: post #184
montroser wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter if you disagree. They own the platform, and they can operate it how they please. There's no "changing of the contract" here. Their TOS certainly don't guarantee anything at all in exchange for website owners embedding tweets in this way. Any theoretical moral argument is kind of irrelevant.

You, and many in these comments, seem to be conflating twitter’s legal rights with their informal social obligations. No one is saying this is illegal behavior by Twitter. Some are saying it’s very annoying of them to go back on their established policies and break thousands of websites.

I totally agree it's annoying, and at odds with what we would hope for their social obligations. So sure, shame on them.

But also, we could not actually expect anything different. The capitalist/corporate environment in which we operate will systematically compel these companies to choose profits over social obligations. They are accountable to their customers (advertisers), and so whatever moral transgressions we people on the street may perceive -- they don't really play into Twitter's decision-making...

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Post by paxys »

deanc wrote: post #99
paxys wrote: post #33

Why not just copy paste or screenshot the Tweet? It's bizarre to reference a script from twitter.com directly in your site's source code and then complain that the script is doing exactly what it is supposed to.

The problem here is that you are erasing history. Imagine someone going into the town square and yelling something profane. That can never be unheard, people will never forget. There will be record of it. Twitter is the only authority that can validate that a tweet actually happened. All other archival services can be considered questionable and easily manipulated (albeit unlikely).

GDPR is a thing. If I want my data deleted from Twitter, they simply don't have a choice.
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