What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space? • Hacker News Board

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by fartcannon » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

switchbak wrote: post #195

cafed00d wrote: post #190

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> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

I think Linux to many is a hobby much like woodworking, one that can also help feed their identity. I've been there myself. I don't think you can expect deep empathy and a strong desire to simplify things down to the grandparent level if much of the reason for using the system is for geek cred and a landscape for such endless tuning/tweaking. I'd even put myself in the latter camp, I like tuning things! Certainly Lin…

Linux users probably skew more ethical than the average Mac user. Otherwise, Apple wouldn't make so much money locking down future generations freedoms.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rootusrootus » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

sdfjkl wrote: post #208

rootusrootus wrote: post #206

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On the other hand, you alone are responsible for all the little pieces of software that are part of your Linux system. People running MacOS have willingly given over to Apple the guarantee that Apple-provided MacOS software is not doing anything nefarious. The assumption being that 1) there are enough people capable of detecting malicious behavior that it will get caught, and 2) Apple has a very strong vested interes…

> given over to Apple the guarantee that Apple-provided MacOS software is not doing anything nefarious That depends on your definition of nefarious.

I will grant that many (I would go so far as saying most, and to a very rough approximation, all) users do not have the same purist attitude towards privacy that is common on HN. Metrics on app usage and such would be seen as nefarious here but the average user doesn't care at all.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by digisign » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

colonwqbang wrote: post #182

gotaquestion wrote: post #179

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Not with 3rd party drivers. I think people fetishize the desire to have complete control, and it is a myth. I've been using Linux since 1997, and all the fighting for transparency has been a tempest in a teapot with no progress made at ALL. If people wanted to fight for it, stop using NVIDIA products, but do you see that happening? Not bloody likely. This isn't so much whataboutism as it is about trying to coerce an…

Nobody forces you to buy NVIDIA hardware. I don't.

Correct, and not even on ideological grounds for me. Intel's stuff was good enough at the time and a lot cheaper.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rootusrootus » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #201

rootusrootus wrote: post #192

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I've never had spotlight hog things for more than a few hours, and only after a fresh install. It's generally well behaved. And it's very useful and fast for searching.

A few hours is a pretty long time for a CPU to be running at near-T-Junction temps. On top of that, every time I pull from a larger repo or unzip a large folder, MacOS will decide it's time for me to take a quick 2 hour break while it depletes 60% of it's battery. Instead of setting up a complicated ignorelist, I just disabled Spotlight indexing altogether.

I do wish it was faster. I will say, however, that I never really noticed it on my new M1 macbook. They made it less intrusive, I guess. It used to be quite bad for a few hours and I'd sometimes just walk away and grab lunch, or time my new system install for bedtime. Perhaps the switch to SSDs helps as well, it's easy to forget how slow laptop spinning rust was.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by conradev » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #148

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

As someone who used to work at Apple and have this knowledge at my fingertips…

It really is nice to have, when you want to look it up. Userspace daemons and their behavior should not be a mystery.

At an extreme minimum, most daemons on macOS have at least a man page describing their high level function.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by 30367286 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

digisign wrote: post #209

30367286 wrote: post #199

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On what laptops does sleep/hibernate work correctly when you close the lid, with Mint? Seriously, swear to fucking god, every time someone says “oh Linux just works”, the next comment is “oh? I tried that distro on the recommended hardware and had trouble with…” Next response is ALWAYS: “Oh yeah that’s broken but I don’t use that feature.” Usually about hibernate. As in, apparently everyone using a laptop plugged int…

My Dell Precision 55XX works fine with Ubuntu, everything is supported. For example I have two 4k monitors at HiDPI... which I've been using for over five years, despite frequent mentions on this site that it doesn't work.

Cool, you should talk to ModernMech, he’s having trouble with power management. Or indeed any of the folks on this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30644113

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by josephcsible » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #148

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

I only buy AMD GPUs, specifically because AMD provides open-source drivers and NVIDIA doesn't.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by c22 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

cafed00d wrote: post #190

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

I've been using "linux on the desktop" exclusively for the last two decades and it's always curious to me when people complain about having to be a techno wizard to operate it because for at least the last 10 years I've pretty much had to configure nothing and everything from fancy displays to networked printers has worked without a hitch. I can honestly say that I'm not even sure where I would look to configure or troubleshoot some hardware on my modern linux system because that's just not something I ever have to do.

One thing I did do while I was building that first linux pc, and for every computer I've bought or built since then, was a tiny bit of research on driver compatibility. Just something as simple as typing ' linux compatability' into google. Or, if while configuring a new system there is a choice of wifi cards or hard drives or whatever, I just look each one up and check before I buy. It is a minor hassle compared to the on-going benefits I derive from a linux system.

Sure, in a perfect world all manufacturers would produce high quality open source drivers for all systems, but we are just not that well coordinated. It is getting better, though.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by duckmysick » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

rglullis wrote: post #137

asciimov wrote: post #134

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It's not the battery life that's the issue on Laptops these days, as it is typically better than windows. The biggest issue is getting all the hardware supported out of the box. For example, there is a certain amount of mucking about you have to do to get any off the shelf laptop running Linux. On rare occasion system updates change something that the laptop doesn't like, hunting down that change can become tedious.

The solution for that is easy: don't buy the absolute-latest-generation of any hardware. I've owned Samsung laptops, HP laptops, Thinkpads. I've built my own work desktops. I've never had any issues, as long as the hardware is ~6 months out on the market. That's about the time it takes for linux devs to catch up with companies that focus on windows drivers.

How do you deal with laptops that have both an integrated and an Nvidia graphic card? I can't find a reliable way of having the dedicated card on for just some applications on Linux. It's either always on or always off, which is not as convenient or useful as the on-demand mode available on Windows.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by Isthatablackgsd » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 5:15 PM UTC

gigaflop wrote: post #123

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

This reminds me of Windows Search Indexer on my PC. Microsoft's spying aside, it apparently needs 13.5% or more of my CPU at all times. It started after I updated multiple time sin a row, and for the past few weeks, has never stopped. I've killed it via task manager, only to have it come back shortly after.

You need to go in the Search Indexing setting to remove the directory for indexing. And only tick the directory that you want to index.

Also to completely disable it, you needs to disable the service and remove the entry from schedule tasks. It keep coming back because of the service and scheduled tasks are not disabled. This is how Google Chrome keep starting up their updater and bypassing my disabled startup entries for Chrome. Because of scheduled tasks is not removed, Chrome uses that to reactivate their updater and recreate a startup entry. Managed to completely neutered Chrome updater through Sysinternals AutoRuns.