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Post by bendergender »

ComradePhil wrote: post #203

Cry me a river! Why are adults in the west (I'm not talking about 18 year olds or even 30 year olds... I mean proper adults, like 35+) watching superhero movies clearly written and performed for kids? I do understand nostalgia but I really don't think westerners understand the concept of growing up. Like, at some point, it has to be like "Yeah, I enjoyed this so much when I was 6 and I can see why a kid me would love…

Why are people watching things they enjoy? Because they enjoy them.

Stop trying to be the arbiter of what other people enjoy. I'm sure you have some tastes in media others would find cringeworthy, but we're all better if we recognize that taste in media is highly personal and we should let people enjoy things.

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Post by nine_k »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #90
BoppreH wrote: post #24

Another enormous gripe I have with modern movies, other than the (lack of) interesting moral lessons from OP, is the sound design. Loud explosions and music, with quiet, mumbled lines[1]. I'm forced to watch every movie with subtitles on, or to miss a good chunk of the dialogue. And I'd go beyond that, and blame the mumbled lines for our lack of interesting quotes. It's a lot harder to have unexpected turns of phrase…

A response to your edit, I was on a zoom call with current musical editors / producers and that is 100% part of the problem. Many of today's actors /actresses almost mumble their lines and make it absolute hell for the audio people to pick them up, whereas theatre trained individuals were loud and enunciate the crap out of everything.

I remember that back in the day, actors re-voiced what they said on the set, but from a studio with proper recording gear, and sound engineers mixed these voices into the general soundscape.

Are modern movies shot in reporting style instead, with all the visuals and sounds recorded once and simultaneously? That would surprise me.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

driverdan wrote: post #179
bawolff wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't find this happening as much as OP says, but nolan movies (e.g. interstellar) are an example where i have definitely had this.

I've watched Interstellar with multiple audio setups and didn't have an issue understanding the dialog. It may have a higher dynamic range than most movies but that's a good thing.

Definitely a known Nolan issue.

I will go to my deathbed attesting that Tenet was the absolutely worst sound mixed movie of all time!

Re: Modern movies teach us awful lessons [video]

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Post by ElephantsMyAnus »

School-Cotton wrote: post #207
ElephantsMyAnus wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a native speaker, but, I think it's rather the opposite. It's very inauthentic. English is a rather unusual language that the meaning is mostly carried only by consonants, while vowels are almost meaningless. What actors seem to be doing is that they focus too much on their accent, and the vowels that define it, and mostly ignore the consonants. Which means you can only hear the accents, but not what is being…

> English is a rather unusual language that the meaning is mostly carried only by consonants, while vowels are almost meaningless. Sorry but this sounds like nonsense. Vowel distinctions absolutely matter in English. Think of how many words would be indistinguishable otherwise: bout, bought, bet, bat, bit, beet, boot, boat, bite, but, and bait are all distinguished from each other only by a vowel. (And, yes, these al…

I get that, but it matters very little in a typical sentence. I bet you could understand almost everything with all vowels replaced with schwas.

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Post by watwut »

zthrowaway wrote: post #199
watwut wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is nostalgia for movie era that never really was. By cherry picking old movies and seeing in them what you want to see. Which is something different then trying to analyse actual past production as it actually was. It is seeing decadence in contrast to past heavenly era, because you want it to be like that.

Okay, you can have a problem with people glorifying the old days. But that still has nothing to do with fascism. My above question has yet to be answered.

Your question is meaningless, because the comment you answered to did not claimed nostalgia is fascist.

He said, youtube algorithm is giving him vaguely fascist content.Bringing up "Birth of Nation" in literally second paragraph.

And I did not said anything about glorifying past, I said the narrative lies about the past.

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Post by jsz0 »

It's probably been 5 years now since I willingly watched a movie. I've been dragged to a few not by preference which I was bored to death by. I don't want to be a Debbie downer or come off as a snob so I try to make reasonable excuses why I won't watch a movie but the truth is I think most of them are stupid as hell as I generally look down on people who waste their time watching lots of TV and movies. There are better things to do with your life.

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Post by BoppreH »

driverdan wrote: post #167
BoppreH wrote: post #24

Another enormous gripe I have with modern movies, other than the (lack of) interesting moral lessons from OP, is the sound design. Loud explosions and music, with quiet, mumbled lines[1]. I'm forced to watch every movie with subtitles on, or to miss a good chunk of the dialogue. And I'd go beyond that, and blame the mumbled lines for our lack of interesting quotes. It's a lot harder to have unexpected turns of phrase…

Can you give examples? I've heard this before but have never noticed it myself. Is it possible you have hearing loss that you're unaware of?

Almost every movie that features Tom Hardy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSOWRsmibc

And from personal experience, from the last movie I watched: https://youtu.be/AJ0uqAr8Q4E?t=106 . I'm not a native speaker, but (1) I've been communicating exclusively in English for years, (2) my hearing is quite good, (3) I'm wearing headphones, (4) there's nothing else happening in the scene apart from dialogue and music. But I still cannot understand Anne Hathaway's two sentences following the time I linked.

This movie also had a lot of another pet peeve of mine, which is shoulder dialogue where the foreground character is clearly not speaking, or saying something different.

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Post by JeremyNT »

Joeboy wrote: post #48

I think I agree with the thrust of the video. My caveats would be: 1) When anybody dunks on "modern movies", they mean "modern movies with $>100m marketing budgets". Which is actually a small minority of modern movies. 2) The messaging has changed, but movies have always had terrible messaging in them. Edit: Maybe it's a bad idea to say this out loud, but when you get protagonists who are "just born preternaturally a…

> Maybe it's a bad idea to say this out loud, but when you get protagonists who are "just born preternaturally awesome", they're generally female, right? I'm not sure the same trend applies for male protagonists.

Do you watch many superhero movies? Because I feel like you must not.

Many of the characters are literal gods, and many more are just uncannily good at everything because of some hand wavey backstory.

Even the characters that start off "normal" tend to become awesome by simply being in the right place at the right time and being exposed to some external force (rather than through overcoming flaws or weaknesses on their own).

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Post by ComradePhil »

bendergender wrote: post #211
ComradePhil wrote: post #203

Cry me a river! Why are adults in the west (I'm not talking about 18 year olds or even 30 year olds... I mean proper adults, like 35+) watching superhero movies clearly written and performed for kids? I do understand nostalgia but I really don't think westerners understand the concept of growing up. Like, at some point, it has to be like "Yeah, I enjoyed this so much when I was 6 and I can see why a kid me would love…

Why are people watching things they enjoy? Because they enjoy them. Stop trying to be the arbiter of what other people enjoy. I'm sure you have some tastes in media others would find cringeworthy, but we're all better if we recognize that taste in media is highly personal and we should let people enjoy things.

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