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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Markoff »

viraptor wrote: post #38
im3w1l wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it worrying. Even if Russia is in the wrong here, I do see an RT ban in particular as a dangerous move. Even in wartime I do think it's important to be willing to listen to the other side. They may be wrong about the big picture, but there could still be an interesting tidbit or two to takeaway. All this talk made be go check RT out and one thing I learned is that the flight ban has left Russian tourists stran…

You're aware that RT does not present "the other side", right? As in they don't provide an alternative valid-even-if-misguided/conflicting view. They provide what Kremlin wants them to publish. There are other Russian publications which are still Russia-censored, but are actual news reports which will give you similar information to what you've found. This is not "we ban Russia's news", it's "we ban Russia government…

I'm aware Deutsche welle and RT are financed by their respective govs, can I now click OK and enter the site?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Markoff »

proctrap wrote: post #125
proctrap wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You surely do have laws against incitement of the masses, don't you ? One example: In Germany it's forbidden by law to deny the holocaust, use nazi symbols, greetings or other media from that era. And some state sponsored TV telling your they're saving people or helping some states while raiding their homes, killing them and using thermobaric weapons is ok ? That this won't create an uproar among all families and rel…

Another fact is that russia did forbid some german media (deutsche welle) to broadcast, so it's certainly also revenge..

which was response to Germany banning RT first

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by xtian »

GiorgioG wrote: post #206
shkkmo wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that goverents frequently distribute their propaganda through media outlets that are not state owned, right?

You know these media outlets aren't legally required to do so, right?

What if the people who own these media outlets and the people who control the government share the same interests?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by wolverine876 »

m000 wrote: post #94
wolverine876 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this a "complete silencing of a country"? RT is a government propaganda outlet, not all Russian media, and not the Russian people.

I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine war.

That's a general accusation, but what exactly are you referring to? Can you provide examples?

> blatant Russian propaganda

Propaganda isn't so blatent; it's used because it works.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by proctrap »

Markoff wrote: post #212
proctrap wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another fact is that russia did forbid some german media (deutsche welle) to broadcast, so it's certainly also revenge..

which was response to Germany banning RT first

that's not true - and RT is state sponsored, DW isn't

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Razengan »

peregren wrote: post #65
Razengan wrote: post #61

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The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

Do you think Russia are being unfairly demonised by western countries right now? Is the invasion of Ukraine, + war crimes in some way just?

Not resorting to Whataboutism, but try to see how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (two in a row, and the subsequent occupation for 20 years no less!) by the US was seen as “just” by all the nations now condemning Russia.

Take a look at maps of NATO expansion:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t37zf4/countries_j...

If America was concerned about Russian nukes in Cuba, shouldn’t Russia be concerned about an alliance encroaching up to their literal border?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by ttybird2 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #160
ngc248 wrote: post #157

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>>> That isn't to say the west hasn't done anything wrong. But by my account, we can pin the following on Russia: >>> - Installing puppets in foreign governments >>> - Schroeder >>> - Trump / GOP >>> - Pushing for Brexit What .... Trump and GOP are russia plants? got proof?

I can provide arguments in favour of the position but not definitive proof, you can decide whether all of this is just "circumstantial". - First day of war, Trump praises Putin for his behaviour, on tape, call him a genius [1, 4]. - Second day of war, Trump doubles down, on tape. [1] - When asked whether [Trump] made a mistake calling [Putin] a genius, Moskow Mitch dodges the question, responds that Putin is a "ruthl…

Trump was not impeached, the vote for it failed.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Razengan »

wolverine876 wrote: post #214
m000 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine war.

That's a general accusation, but what exactly are you referring to? Can you provide examples? > blatant Russian propaganda Propaganda isn't so blatent; it's used because it works.

Just take a look at Reddit since the last two weeks:

https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/t35933/captain_ukrain...

https://old.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/t1j650/these_are_my_u...

https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/t3oykr/meirl

https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t31tek/ukraini...

https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t2fb00/ze...

https://old.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/t22d53/ps...

https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/t2y9xh/volodymyr_zel...

Notice how most of them are posted on subreddits that have nothing to do with politics, and they actually bạn all political posts and memes in “normal” times.

How does all this seem sane and not blatant or disturbing at all?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by ttybird2 »

Bancakes wrote: post #14
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

Those who need garbage propaganda and are trained to handle it without manipulation, can use a VPN. Most people don't give 2 thoughts.

This article is about such VPNs being potentially banned.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by dragonwriter »

ttybird2 wrote: post #217
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can provide arguments in favour of the position but not definitive proof, you can decide whether all of this is just "circumstantial". - First day of war, Trump praises Putin for his behaviour, on tape, call him a genius [1, 4]. - Second day of war, Trump doubles down, on tape. [1] - When asked whether [Trump] made a mistake calling [Putin] a genius, Moskow Mitch dodges the question, responds that Putin is a "ruthl…

Trump was not impeached, the vote for it failed.

> Trump was not impeached, the vote for it failed.

Trump was impeached twice, the vote exceeding the required majority of the House of Representatives in each case. Impeachment is similar to indictment in the normal criminal process: a formal laying of charges.

Trump was not convicted in the trial resulting from either impeachment by the required 2/3 of the Senate, however.

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