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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by 8note »

whyenot wrote: post #39
ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

Even if it's possible, for Apple, it would be an utterly disastrous thing to do. Imagine the damage to its reputation. If they were to do it in this situation, the argument would go, what about other situations? What about all the phones they sell in China, for example. Are there circumstances where they should brick all US Democrat or Republican phones? It would be the end of Apple, and that's why it would (hopefull…

Apple still has to follow US laws and sanctions. Especially considering how the people that run it and work in corporate are in America

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Post by VictorPath »

dilyevsky wrote: post #108
rdtsc wrote: post #37

I am curious, what do Russians think of this. Does anyone support him? Is it completely just one maniac with his friends running this. Is his propaganda that effective that Russians agree with any of it. I think if anyone can stop him, it has to be ordinary Russians. I don’t see sanctions or warnings from Biden or EU doing anything. And they will never directly step in and protect the Ukranian people.

Putin has been busy cracking down hard on any descent for the past two years of his bunker dwelling. This round included not only the usual opposition organizations but independent news orgs and even the elites. I believe whatever his plans are it’s been at least a few years in the making

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Post by basementcat »

rectang wrote: post #109
throwaway5752 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US was an occupier of Afganistan. The US agreed to a withdrawal in exchange for a truce with the Taliban under the previous administration, which was honored by the next administration. This is an invasion of a peaceful country by its neighbor. They are complete opposites.

The similarity is that the both the Russians and the Taliban do not allow for self-determination by the citizenry.

I’m sure if you ask public servants in Afghanistan and Russia, they’ll both agree that they have the overwhelming support of the citizenry and any statements to the contrary are obviously lies.

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Post by motohagiography »

nickpp wrote: post #92
Gatsky wrote: post #75

> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

The reason Putin is invading is because he knows the U.S. is weak, its leadership is politically weak, and there's very little it will do, and even if it does, it doesn't have popular support. It's the effect of clear incentives.

If the U.S. intervenes, a retaliatory cyber op from Russia against critical infrastructure would make america amish again. Then, wait until midterms when the president loses the house and senate and doesn't have the power to muster a draft when China takes Taiwan. This is one of those happening slowly and then all at once events in history I suspect.

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Post by stickfigure »

nradov wrote: post #111
ripvanwinkle wrote: post #32

To some extent this situation feels analogous to a street mugging happening in very slow motion The thug accosts the victim, threatens and then proceeds to assault the victim in full view of a large number of bystanders who are numerous enough to defend the victim and alter the outcome but not convicted enough to take on the inconvenience of doing so. Nevertheless all the bystanders voice words of encouragement and s…

Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

Does it need to be "go to war"? How many NATO aircraft would it take to give the Ukrainians on the ground the upper hand? For all his bluster, do you think Putin really wants to escalate beyond Ukraine? He's playing a game of chicken with the west and winning.

Hitler did the same thing right up until 1939. From what I've read he was actually surprised that the allies finally called his bluff after Poland, considering they just rolled over after the Rhineland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia.

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Post by agumonkey »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

I wish the conflict to be ended asap with the less casualties possible.

Best of luck

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Post by anshumankmr »

It is quite interesting to see publications like Jacobin posting obvious flame bait such as this:https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599.

Even Tucker Carlson is parroting Russian propaganda. https://i.redd.it/pr9tnneyemj81.png

I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

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Post by 8note »

MattGaiser wrote: post #70
byteski wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations! You bring an idea to brick all Russian phones including phones of opposition, people who against the war, political prisoners, and other people who just live in the country.

Russia is not a democracy. What its people want is irrelevant. They have no meaningful agency.

Even without democracy, governments need some amount of agreement from its populace to do things

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Post by gdy »

paxys wrote: post #152
forlorn wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

If you are Russian in Russia right now I'd love to hear what the majority public sentiment in the country is.

Another Russian here. I'm horrified and cannot believe this is happening.

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Post by Lendal »

k41da wrote: post #131
unityByFreedom wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We aren't sending troops to Ukraine so that's irrelevant.

Give it 72 hours. The news cycle is leading the announcements tomorrow and the announcements that will inevitably come next week. If the news is already talking WW3 (and yes, they are) then it won't be long before the UN deploys it's own "peacekeeping forces" and the world goes hot.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that UN "peacekeeping force" anytime soon. The head of the UN Security Council is Russia.
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