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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by bawolff » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:05 AM UTC

causality0 wrote: post #202

BizarroLand wrote: post #129

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If the group you're in pulls out Nazi flags and you don't leave the group, then you're endorsing Nazism the same as if your group starts to break into a house and you don't leave the group then you're an accessory to breaking into a house. It's very basic stuff here.

Boogaloo Boys are regularly present at BLM protests. Does the failure to kick them out mean the people around them endorse the murder of police and the violent overthrow of the US government?

If they are protesting with the blm people (e.g. intermingled), then yes.

If they are having counter protests e.g.seperate protests within proximity but clearly distinct, then no.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by prepend » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:05 AM UTC

DonHopkins wrote: post #111

prepend wrote: post #105

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Those first three images seem pretty unequivocally using nazi imagery to critique Canada. So they aren’t Nazis, they are people complaining that Canada is acting like Nazis. I haven’t followed this but have heard friends saying that Nazis are participating. I would expect that this means some Nazis were participating. But these images don’t show that. The confederate flags just seem like jerks.

Which is why he said "waving swastikas", not "being Nazis". But yes, Nazis are getting involved with the anti-vax protests, on the same side as Trump, not on Science's side. In Germany’s east, far-right extremists find footholds in escalating anti-vaccine protests: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/30/coronavirus-... >While Kohlmann contends that Free Saxons is not an extremist group, German authorities sa…

But “waving swastikas” isn’t very interesting unless it signifies Nazis right? It’s not bad to use swastikas to critique governments if you think they’re acting like Nazis.

The intent of swastikas in that situation isn’t pro-nazi or anti-Semitic.

I’m not sure what real Nazis in Germany being anti-vax has to do with our conversation. RFKJr is anti-vax too, what does that matter about this convoy.

I was trying to figure out if there were Nazis in the convoy. It seems like there aren’t.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by dang » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

chroem- wrote: post #189

bryanlarsen wrote: post #183

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There are only ~250 people in the protest currently.

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Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? They're tedious, repetitive, and not at all what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by dang » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:12 AM UTC

BizarroLand wrote: post #186

chroem- wrote: post #179

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Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? They're tedious, repetitive, and not at all what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by _-david-_ » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:22 AM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #190

SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW wrote: post #181

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Justin LaFace, the Ontario leader, is a member of Soldiers of Odin. Alex King, one of the cofounders: https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729

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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by adriand » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:28 AM UTC

tonfreed wrote: post #74

Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.

A good friend of mine put it this way, and he’s right:

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So far, the “peaceful” protestors have desecrated the national war monument and the Terry Fox statue, flown multiple Nazi flags and Confederate flags and large numbers of “Fuck Trudeau” signs, stolen food from a soup kitchen, assaulted and threatened reporters, thrown rocks at ambulances, smashed car windows, threatened anyone wearing a mask, defecated on the lawn of a house flying a pride flag, harassed mall workers so badly that they had to close the stores for their safety, blocked paramedics and health care workers from getting to the hospital, intimidated Ottawa residents so badly that many are afraid to leave their homes, and openly threatened to murder the prime minister and overthrow the government on the exact spot Cpl Nathan Cirillo was murdered defending the seat of government from a gunman.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:29 AM UTC

marak830 wrote: post #163

colpabar wrote: post #110

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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

No. If there are Nazis in your group, and you don't kick them out, you're a fucking Nazi. There is no reason to ever allow Nazis to have any sort of freedom. We literally had a world war about this.

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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by adriand » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:37 AM UTC

BizarroLand wrote: post #174

ipaddr wrote: post #153

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I wouldn't assume someone carrying a Nazi flag means all of those things. I wouldn't assume everyone was gay or supported gay rights if someone held a rainbow flag. I might assume the person holding the flag has support for the flag but it's not necessarily true. If the Nazi flag had Justin Trudeau's face on it I would instantly get the message that Trudeau is a Nazi not support for a group from a foreign country in…

Lot of people working in overdrive to excuse displays of Nazi symbolism these days. Never would have thought I would see it on y-combinator but here we are.

I am with you. Thank you for speaking up!

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by hunterb123 » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #139

enchiridion wrote: post #87

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Small nit-pick, it is disingenuous to write “Gadsen/Confederate” flag when those are two totally separate things. The Gadsen flag for most people is a symbol of independence and freedom. Historically it was not associated with slavery, the confederate secession, or the civil war.

99% of the Gadsden flags in my area are flying alongside confederate flags — likewise most of them in the protest pics I’ve seen. I know the flag’s history predates the Civil War and that it once upon a time was devoid of the current undertones, but alas, it’s (IMO) irredeemably tainted.

Counter anecdote. I've never seen a Gadsden flag flown by a confederate flag. It's mainly flown by libertarians and others who respect privacy and freedom.

Either way, confederate flags aren't normally flown in racist intent. Most people fly them to represent their heritage. The Dixie line, Outlaw country, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a libertarian from deep Georgia fly both and not be racist in the slight.

I think you need to leave your bubble and learn about the people you are trying to demonize.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by cal5k » Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

halostatue wrote: post #187

MatteoFrigo wrote: post #109

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One can listen to the organizers directly to find out who they are and what they want: https://rumble.com/vtp2lw-freedom-convoy-organizers-press-co... You may agree or not agree, but as an added bonus you'll learn something about the economics of the trucking business.

Please remember that whatever you think you’re learning about the economics of the trucking business, the people involved in this represent less than 10% of the truckers in Canada — and they also have no clue how little their protest matters as it is the _American_ mandate preventing the moronic holdouts from crossing the the border.

You should seek to understand before parroting talking points like this.

First, federal jurisdiction includes: mandating vaccine passports at the border, firing employees in federally-regulated industries that are unvaccinated, and preventing unvaccinated Canadians from being able to travel via plane or train domestically. There is also evidence to suggest that the Canadian government pressured the US government into implementing their own mandate on cross-border transportation to match ours.

Second, over 30% of Canadians polled support these specific protests, and over 50% of Canadians want to see an end to all provincial and federal mandates. In the face of omicron there is zero science to support vaccine passports or other restrictions, and frankly there never was.

Third, many vaccinated Canadians like myself are supportive of peaceful protests aimed at restoring basic charter rights even for those we might disagree with. I've always thought it disgusting that Canadians cheered on while unvaccinated Canadians lost their jobs or couldn't send their kids to university... this is exactly why minority rights are so important.

Finally, it's common for protests to occur in Ottawa about all manner of issues because it's the nation's capital. Suggesting that none of the protestors understand who has jurisdiction over what is false.