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Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Post by Agingcoder » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 1:15 PM UTC

evancoop wrote: post #171

The easy response is to dunk on Nature for rent-seeking. (And it most definitely IS just that). However, the best target for ire is not necessarily the journals (even if they charge a lot and provide nothing more than unpaid editors whose value-add is dubious). The proper target of anger is those who allocate grant money and use the number of publications in a few top-tier journals as the primary credential. Not only…

Could it be simply a way for nature of saying 'no, for real, we don't do open access, even if in theory we do'? Basically they don't expect anyone to actually pay for this?

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Post by dariosalvi78 » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #175

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he meant per year...

What, less than 1000 USD per month? But that's a joke. In the Netherlands it's something like... 2800 EUR or 3000 EUR per month, so let's say 3000 - 3300 USD / month. I know the Netherlands PhD candidates have it relatively well (in relative, not absolute, terms), but I find it hard to believe people are expected to live off of 900 EUR / month. Is it really that bad these days?

I have been a PhD student in Spain for quite some time and my salary started with less than 1000€/month and ended at around 1500€. Of course cost of living is much lower too.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Post by ta988 » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 2:44 PM UTC

blagie wrote: post #189

ta988 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Publication and diffusion software can be Free there are a lot of options. Often university libraries even provide them with support for you.

They're free only if sysadmin time is free. It's the same rabbit hole. In practice, maintaining, supporting, and running a server, especially with archival-grade backups and retention -- is gonna require more than $50k (let alone $5k) of human time each year. You can't pretend there is no cost or that the cost is an order-of-magnitude lower than it is. At that point, you end up with solutions which can't work. Many p…

I said Free as in Free software. Of course there is a cost. But this is nothing compared to the tens of millions of dollars a state university has to pay each publisher each year.