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Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile

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Post by pelasaco »

morelish wrote: post #76
pelasaco wrote: post #53

"For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture." I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them..

Yeah I did wonder that. Dunno how far Dolphins echo location is effective from. But presumably it's further than most people probably can see underwater. Especially if the water is murky or dark. It could allow the dolphin to detect the diver beyond the perception of the diver. Then presumably the dolphin is trained to rush the diver and 'bump'/smash into the diver before he has time to react or even see the dolphin.…

ok Dolphin bump into a little squad of marines. Then with its mouth the Dolphin place a buoy in a soldier's back? The scenario Dolphin carries explosive, bump in a diver and explodes is pretty possible. But a Dolphin bumps in a diver, and with it's mouth it places a buoy in the divers back and go unnoticed? It is Hilarious!

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Post by sizzle »

thelittleone wrote: post #62
poulsbohemian wrote: post #19

This isn't exactly a secret or new information... it was pretty well known when I lived on the peninsula 10+ years ago (thus the username, Poulsbohemian...). There's a state park right near the Hood Canal bridge where it isn't uncommon to watch the submarines come and go in and out of the canal. Always a bit surreal to push your kids on the swings while watching a first strike weapon capable of destroying the world p…

No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1]. This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles.…

Is the hydrogen bomb still the king of mutually assured destruction in terms of megaton payload or have we invented new technology?

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Post by pelasaco »

josefresco wrote: post #101
pelasaco wrote: post #53

"For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture." I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them..

> I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them Good luck! You'd never see them coming and they're too fast and agile to "shoot".

I think while the dolphin is trying to place a buoy in his back, a well trained soldier can get the Dolphin away with a simple knife.

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Post by pelasaco »

throwaway1269 wrote: post #83
pelasaco wrote: post #53

"For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture." I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them..

Visibility while diving can be super low and underwater weapons (mostly crossbows) are not that great. Also the dolphin is kind of a smarter shark and if you attack it's not out of the realm of possibility it will bite you in balls in retaliation. It's not impossible the might be arming dolphins with guns too against armed divers.

I think the scenarios of Dolphins armed with explosives that just explode when they bump into enemies a real one. Or sacrifice them to detect mines. But the whole The Dolphin detect the mine and then come back or Dolphin place a buoy in the back of an enemy diver with its mouth is nonsense

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Post by candiodari »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #189
johnwheeler wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Game theory doesn’t work that way

If game theory was how reality works, WW3 would have started several times already. Game theory is a guide, not the actual playbook.

I love what you're doing here. There is a logical, rational argument. And that's MAD (the acronym). You're saying you "obviously" don't believe people will act rational in 2 different ways

1) with second-strike guarantee people will act irrationally and launch nukes

2) without second-strike guarantee people will NOT act rationally and use nuclear strikes as a threat in negotiation, or outright launch and eliminate opponents without warning

And you present that people will act irrationally without any evidence, in a way that comes off as smug and arrogant despite YOU being the one that presents the far-fetched argument.

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Post by mrguyorama »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #199
ars wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything there is less. Residual radioactivity is unused explosive potential, they try to minimize that. Modern bombs are also fusion bombs which have even less radioactivity.

I wonder if there are bombs that leave more radioactivity as goodbye gift, to delay the rebuilding.

The term you are looking for is "Neutron bomb"

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Post by ASalazarMX »

candiodari wrote: post #215
ASalazarMX wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If game theory was how reality works, WW3 would have started several times already. Game theory is a guide, not the actual playbook.

I love what you're doing here. There is a logical, rational argument. And that's MAD (the acronym). You're saying you "obviously" don't believe people will act rational in 2 different ways 1) with second-strike guarantee people will act irrationally and launch nukes 2) without second-strike guarantee people will NOT act rationally and use nuclear strikes as a threat in negotiation, or outright launch and eliminate op…

Did Game theory prove that Nixxon's Madman theory was the best approach to handle a scenario of mutually assured destruction? I would have expected that playing an irrational, trigger happy bluffer would not be the best approach. Conversely, I do think that the Soviets expected to play rationally.

Let's compare it with the COVID response. Did world leaders listen to their scientists, or did many act irrationally because they have the last word? If some of them don't follow science, why would they follow game theory perfectly? What about their whole pyramid of underlings?

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Post by MrYellowP »

chipsa wrote: post #200
formvoltron wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious problem with mutual assured destruction is that an insane person could get ahold of the weapons, launch first, and kill all of current and future humanity. How about not strike back, just try to survive & show future generations of the world how to be. Go live in that other country that isn't radioactive.

"Mutual Assured Destruction" isn't a policy of anyone. It's a game theoretical idea that requires pre-conditions that don't necessarily apply. I mean, you hit on one of them: insane people. Most of the large nuclear powers have checks on that: the guy at the top can order the launch, but there's a bunch of relaying of the order. So the guys who turn the keys can refuse. So you need a bunch of insane people to make it…

What do you mean, had?

Do you have any evidence their doomsday device isn't running anymore?

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Post by MrYellowP »

formvoltron wrote: post #145
chipsa wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second strike weapon. It is supposed to be able to survive someone else's first strike. First strike weapons can't survive someone else's first strike. It's part of the whole "assured destruction" thing: doesn't matter if you hit us first, you're still going to end up a self lit parking lot afterwards.

The obvious problem with mutual assured destruction is that an insane person could get ahold of the weapons, launch first, and kill all of current and future humanity. How about not strike back, just try to survive & show future generations of the world how to be. Go live in that other country that isn't radioactive.

"Oh hey, we nuked those guys and nobody cared! Let's nuke some other country too!"
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