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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by windthrown »

adamweld wrote: post #181
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

Can anyone recommend a laptop that gets great battery life on Linux and has a good keyboard? I've been thinking about selling my current beefy laptop (razer blade 15) since I end up doing all my MCAD/ECAD work on my desktop anyway, and moving back to Manjaro on my laptop which only really gets used for software/firmware anyway. But, I read so many horror stories about linux firmware glitchyness and poor battery life…

I've had great battery life and overall experience with my System76 Lemur Pro. However, I have only used their PopOS and don't know if Manjaro would fare differently.

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Post by stavros »

ad8e wrote: post #207
ohazi wrote: post #197

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I've noticed that I seem to miskey my unlock password immediately after resuming from sleep way more often than when I use that password at other times, or when using an external keyboard (Lenovo T480). I always suspected that something was wonky, but a weird debounce bug would totally explain it, especially as I tend to type that password very quickly.

The scrambling is easy to see once you know it's happening: press k and l simultaneously on your Thinkpad keyboard. It'll always come out "lk" unless you deliberately separate them. Testing was done [0], but it's not written in an easy-to-understand way. As a summary, Thinkpad keys are scrambled within 15-23 ms. Usually, humans ascribe scrambled letters to their own mistakes, but this time it's the keyboard's fault.…

Oh man, is that why pressing "iu" quickly would come out as "ui"? I know I press them correctly, because I use the middle and ring fingers together simultaneously, with the longer finger obviously striking one key first, yet they'd always come out wrong.

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Post by kingcharles »

908B64B197 wrote: post #66
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #14

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> I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions. I'm not disagreeing with your general point, but I'm curious: What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language?

> What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language? Latin.

This answer wins. I suspect this is the most widely-used language that has not changed in 2000 years. When I was at school in the 80s we were seemingly learning the same Latin as spoken by the Romans.

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Post by kingcharles »

amelius wrote: post #142
looperhacks wrote: post #127

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This doesn't help the user choose a language. The language my browser sends to the website is not necessarily the language I want to view the webpage in.

Then you have to change your browser settings. https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-lang-prioritie...

Well, the problem is I'll sometimes go to a site like Wikipedia and then switch to the Japanese version because the Nihongo 日本語 version of the article has more information than the English one.

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Post by kingcharles »

darrenf wrote: post #89
uoaei wrote: post #59

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We've had two-letter designations for languages for a long time now.

Two letters in the Latin alphabet, I assume - does that assist those who primarily read Cyrillic, Greek, Vietnamese, Arabic, Thai, Tamil, … ? Localisation basically never has a simple “we should just…” solution.

My first reaction was to agree, but, all languages also use Latin characters for all sorts of things, especially brand names. A lot of native languages just aren't adding native words fast enough to keep up with technology and so the English words end up getting subsumed. Sometimes they'll be converted into local glyphs (e.g. Katakana in Japanese), but sometimes not. I doubt there are many humans alive who can't recognize Latin characters, even if they have absolutely no understanding of what the meaning is or how to pronounce them.

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Post by dheera »

tata71 wrote: post #204
throwaway2568 wrote: post #111

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High battery drain during standby on Linux can be due to the system not entering the proper sleep state. I had this happen to me on an AMD machine lately, in that case disabling secure boot solved the issue. Here is a pretty detailed blog post in checking if that is the problem and how to deal with it on intel systems https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-li...

> disabling secure boot solved the issue Lovely...

Isn't secure boot just a Microsoft thing to try to stymie competition by preventing booting OSes other than Windows?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by nrp »

mjg59 wrote: post #116
nrp wrote: post #73

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We haven't finalized our plans around this, but one path we have explored is a signed shim loader.

Ah, so a signed firmware bootblock that runs something user signed? I wrote the original version of the boot Shim that Linux distros use for bridging from the Microsoft root of trust to the distro one, so let me know if there's any way I can help out here.

Yep! It's great to hear that, and I would definitely be interested in chatting. I've DMed you on twitter.

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Post by harry8 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #185
adamweld wrote: post #181

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Can anyone recommend a laptop that gets great battery life on Linux and has a good keyboard? I've been thinking about selling my current beefy laptop (razer blade 15) since I end up doing all my MCAD/ECAD work on my desktop anyway, and moving back to Manjaro on my laptop which only really gets used for software/firmware anyway. But, I read so many horror stories about linux firmware glitchyness and poor battery life…

I get decent but not amazing battery life on my XPS 15, running Pop_OS. About 5-6 hours of actual use time. No major firmware issues but it is using Nvidia. XPS 15 laptops appear to have an unresolved mouse lag issue that is noticeable under linux (but seems to happen in Windows too). Seems to not happen with external mice. Annoying but not a big deal. There is an open issue for it but no patch yet.

had one. It died. Battery swelled up, I replaced it. It died forever because, I think. I closed the lid and put it in my bag. Doing exactly that is what makes a laptop a laptop. It was a couple of months out of warranty and you can't even contact Dell to say "Is this your quality? Is this acceptable to you that your laptop is this bad?" You need to plug in serial numbers on their website and they just tell you to get lost. Can't email them. Can't do anything.

So yes. The Dell. I do NOT recommend. They are garbage quality devices and their support is utterly terrible. Wildly overpriced for what you actually get.

Avoid.

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

staindk wrote: post #146
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

FWIW I don't think you should buy a laptop from them just to support them. Just adding to e-waste down the line, and I'm sure they are selling enough units. In the future when you do actually need/want a new laptop of course it would be great to support them then. And advocate for them when a friend asks about what laptop to buy.

Could buy one and donate it to someone else, or a library.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by bo1024 »

reacharavindh wrote: post #106
bo1024 wrote: post #91

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You nailed it, battery is the only downside I’ve had, not awful but probably say 3 hours of video playback, or 5-6 hours of web use. Haven’t used it unplugged all that much so very rough guesses. Bigger problem with my fedora install at least is battery draining while the lid is closed. Overall great machine Edit: I may be missing software updates that improve this, no idea

I very much wanted to hear about this and damn :-( Video playback must be hardware accelerated by now and be super efficient. Another worry was about low power sleep modes and waking up, and looks like it is not solved too. I might have to suck it up and buy the Mac for my needs after all. I have my trusty Linux desktop for all my big compute needs. I was hoping to make the mobile machine also run Linux, but the spec…

I’m very happy with purism’s librem 14 but the display is not as nice as frameworks.
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