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Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by userbinator »

asddubs wrote: post #35
userbinator wrote: post #14

I once even spotted a Microsoft employee who took the time to raise their concerns on the public tracker: That is just incredibly exasperating to see. When even MS employees are being forced to "bend over and take it", you'd think there would be some sort of "find the people responsible for this shitshow in the Windows team inside MS, and keep emailing them to fix it" protest. That one employee he noticed seemed to h…

I mean, I'm a long time linux user and think windows has been steadily getting worse too, but in reference to your linked comment complaining about "inclusively designed" being a meaningless buzzword - I was confused what it meant too, but reading the actual article the full sentence is: >We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows, built with and for people with disabilities. so t…

It is a meaningless buzzword, and has taken on an almost doublespeak connotation.

Remember when Windows let you adjust the sizes, colours, and fonts of every single UI element? Windows 3.x had that.

They removed that 3 versions back (Win8).

Then they removed some more in Windows 10, and in Windows 11, even stopped you from moving the taskbar to a different edge of the screen; and then, they have the gall to say it's "most inclusively designed".

"Actions speak louder than words."

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by ptx »

politician wrote: post #182
ptx wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different (IMHO better) on Mac, even though it looks superficially similar. On Mac, there is conceptually a two-level hierarchy of apps and windows. Every app maintains its own stack of windows. You can switch between apps with a single click (or keyboard command) and then switch between windows in that app's window stack if you want to bring a different one to the top. So a single click och keypress lets you sw…

You sound like you know what you’re talking about, so perhaps you could explain something that I just can’t figure out. I use multiple desktops and run almost every app in full screen. Oftentimes when I focus a window on a secondary desktop that isn’t fullscreen (like a Finder window), then click on the Dock icon of a full screen app, MacOS will focus the primary desktop instead of the desktop with the full screen ap…

The last version I used was 10.4, which didn't have full screen apps, so I don't know. Sorry.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by smoldesu »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #203
zaat wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's depends on the specific software and maintainer. I see stuff in the GNOME tracker that boil my blood, I become angry even when now, thinking about it. On the other hand, I had filled bug regarding some encryption functionality and was given useful and respectful comments that helped me with the non-bug but user error issue. I also reported on some power management feature I was missing and got it implemented i…

> That's depends on the specific software and maintainer. Something so obvious I didn't feel the need to explicitly state it in my post. I guess I should know better.

It's hardly a salient detail when we're talking about... checks notes thousands of distinct software projects with their own unique leadership models. Much like the parent said, there are indeed pretty notoriously ignorant dev teams out there like the GNOME and Flatpak maintainers, but they're more the exception than the rule. By and large, I'd argue that the Linux community gets stuff right more often than Microsoft does these days, and probably Apple too (though their software these days isn't exactly a high bar).

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by julianz »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #102

Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. Microsoft has a weird culture, very top down, very passive aggressive between departments. For a brief while I would diligently prepare bugs for the dog food software. I would even walk over to visit people responsible for it and chat about it. Even for software where ‘zero bugs’ was important they’d just delete a whole…

Not my experience, I reported a typo in a minor Git sub-dialog in VS, and it was triaged, fixed and released in VS2022. Happy days!

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by gigel82 »

userbinator wrote: post #14

I once even spotted a Microsoft employee who took the time to raise their concerns on the public tracker: That is just incredibly exasperating to see. When even MS employees are being forced to "bend over and take it", you'd think there would be some sort of "find the people responsible for this shitshow in the Windows team inside MS, and keep emailing them to fix it" protest. That one employee he noticed seemed to h…

I heard the issue is that there no longer are "people responsible". Since Windows was moved under E&D, there is literally no one claiming ownership of Windows. So divisions like WebXT (the folks shoving advertisement in the OS, forcing Edge usage, etc.) are doing as they please with no oversight.

Windows is no longer a 1st class product at MS, it's 3+ layers below the CEO, same tier as Teams, or OneDrive... so no wonder it's going down the shitter.

Pretty strange if you ask me.

PS. This is 2nd hand info from friends that are MSFTers.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by zamalek »

nitrogen wrote: post #180
zamalek wrote: post #167

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> Mac We have to use Macs at my new job, for compliance reasons. What a shitshow of UX. How on earth is anyone supposed to know to use snowflake-click to switch between app instances? That isn't "strictly [better] than Win 11" (per the article), because at least the method in Win 11 is discoverable (there's also the well behaving alt+tab, and win-number). You have to use snowflake-C + snowflake-V, unlike every other…

MacOS has a very powerful built-in shortcut changing system that appears to date all the way back to NextStep based on some of the names of prefs and plists to change. But, every Electron app and productivity website hard-codes the old Mac shortcuts based on naive platform detection instead of using native OS inputs, so the muscle memory conflict is even worse. To anyone who just "doesn't get" this complaint, which i…

I did know about this, but I can't get any terminal to respect the modifier key switch (including Apple's own). The modifier key confusion is now following me into Windows and Linux. I deeply hate MacOS.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by rbreaves »

nitrogen wrote: post #180
zamalek wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mac We have to use Macs at my new job, for compliance reasons. What a shitshow of UX. How on earth is anyone supposed to know to use snowflake-click to switch between app instances? That isn't "strictly [better] than Win 11" (per the article), because at least the method in Win 11 is discoverable (there's also the well behaving alt+tab, and win-number). You have to use snowflake-C + snowflake-V, unlike every other…

MacOS has a very powerful built-in shortcut changing system that appears to date all the way back to NextStep based on some of the names of prefs and plists to change. But, every Electron app and productivity website hard-codes the old Mac shortcuts based on naive platform detection instead of using native OS inputs, so the muscle memory conflict is even worse. To anyone who just "doesn't get" this complaint, which i…

I agree with nitrogen. And why would I want the OS level copy/paste to conflict with my terminal commands? Zamalek I think you are not realizing how much worse of a UX that would be when the terminal wants to use Ctrl & the GUI apps can use "snowflake" as you put it lol. Separates out the duties perfectly well.

Also to free up Win key combos more you can either disable it entirely via regedit, which I do not recommend - or explicitly disable certain letters individually by putting them into a string in regedit. This then frees it up for better remapping under any remapper, including mine kinto.sh.

``` Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced] "DisabledHotkeys"="B"

``` restart explorer.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by fxtentacle »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #47
dEnigma wrote: post #36

I also spent quite a lot of time during the Windows 10 preview phase, and a while after release, diligently reporting bugs, and voting on well thought-out feature requests. But after noticing that none of these bugs ever got any attention, and how the Feedback Hub was mostly just noise, I started to wonder why I even did free work for a multi-billion dollar company, on my own time. Right around that period I switched…

Whenever a game I play is released on the Nintendo Switch, I am a little bit happier (eg Diablo 3, Tetris Effect). There’s honestly nothing keeping me in Windows except for video games (which I have less and less time for each year). I’m sort of looking forward to the day I won’t need to play video games on Windows and just be happy with a MacBook and a Linux workstation.

Me, too. I'm so happy if a newly purchased game "just works". It feels like Windows by now is deliberately wasting my time with updates and unexpected configuration changes.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by fxtentacle »

Kelamir wrote: post #106
pjmlp wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, because Nintendo is such a great example of openness towards FOSS communities.

Is it sarcasm, or they are really open to FOSS communities, pjmlp? Tone deaf reader here.

Nintendo is super trigger happy when it comes to suing modders and homebrew. But at the same time they are extremely friendly towards the indie developers that they work with.

So they hate people publicly distributing an open source switch SDK, but they'll happily give it to you (including full source) after you sign their NDA.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by fxtentacle »

beart wrote: post #200
sundvor wrote: post #57

The Feedback hub... A few things are completely a dog's breakfast in the Windows 10 world - and their beyond hideous XBox with Windows App Store is one of them. I tried to file some feedback about the experience using the Hub but it felt like a wholly inappropriate tool for the job. How do you tell someone they just need to delete everything they've done and start afresh? Because that's the only thing that could fix…

Agreed. I've run into more issues trying to get Minecraft running due to the disaster that is the windows store and related services. if you look at the gaming service, it's nothing but 1 star reviews with similar issues. I'm a technician person and I have no idea how non technical people manage to use Windows today.

They buy an iPad because it's slightly less horrible.
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