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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by maxerickson »

tdrdt wrote: post #166
maxerickson wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence that vaccination is hampering immune response. Among those infected with Omicron, hospitalization and intensive care rates are much higher in unvaccinated...

This is not what the stats are saying. And what about South-Africa with a vaccination rate of 26%?

What "stats" are you looking at? For instance, 2nd paragraph of this article about Omicron talks about vaccination being protective: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/world/europe/omicron-hosp...

If South Africa ended up fairing far better than a country with similar demographics and higher vaccination rates, it would be relevant, but there's not data to make that comparison, because other countries are much earlier in the Omicron wave.

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Post by mwattsun »

bmeski wrote: post #187
mwattsun wrote: post #157

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Could you elaborate a bit on what right you are asserting? I don't think I'm alone in not understanding what right you are fighting for. You're asking me to take a stand without telling me what I'm taking a stand for.

Mandated COVID-19 vaccination of individuals with the current EUA approved vaccines. The devil is in the details. The EUA designation was pushed through because there was no other, "obvious" treatment (despite proven efficacy of a combination of prophylactic treatments). They are testing this thing on us. Even if it works I do not consent to be tested on.

Where do you derive your right to consent or not? I could say I have the right to not have my body put in jail, but I have no basis for that.

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Post by MiroF »

FourthProtocol wrote: post #162
micromacrofoot wrote: post #111

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apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

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Post by middleclick »

peteradio wrote: post #155
micromacrofoot wrote: post #111

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apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

> dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate When administered to the at risk population. When required for young, hospitalization system impact would be marginal.

Not correct. Here is the official source:

https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/2...

Please cite your sources.

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Post by dontcare007 »

middleclick wrote: post #159
theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

> blocked from receiving government services Quite the hyperbole: not all government services, just employment insurance and that too if you were only fired for not receiving the vaccine. A reminder that in many of these jobs, there was already a requirement for getting a set of vaccines so this is not new. Though for some people, this vaccine is "different" but once you ask them to explain why they can't. So no new…

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Post by lizkm »

sh4un wrote: post #150
xxpor wrote: post #76

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Pretty arrogant of you to assume that liberals aren't arming themselves to protect against people that have been threatening violence and advocating for coups to overturn democratic results.

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Post by yostrovs »

scott_w wrote: post #133
yostrovs wrote: post #39

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

You can’t spread HIV just by sitting next to someone. Your analogy also doesn’t hold at all because countries DO punish people for knowingly infecting others with HIV.

You can spread HIV by having sex with someone and not using a condom. You might not even know you have HIV, so using a condom is essential in any case.

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Post by christofosho »

FourthProtocol wrote: post #162
micromacrofoot wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

The vaccine is not mandatory in Canada.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #200

Does vaccination still offer a public health benefit? To be clear vaccination is good, people should be vaccinated, I have been vaccinated three times, etc, etc but does vaccination still offer a public health benefit vs just being a good idea for your own personal health?

At least in Washington state, unvaccinated people have Covid at 3x the rates at minimum (the most robust cohort). This effect is more exaggerated the older someone is. Deaths are similar. Depending on your definition of benefit, it might be beneficial still.
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