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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by BoorishBears »

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #206
neither_color wrote: post #194

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I didnt realize it's only 60hz, that's pretty bad. You can get 4K gaming monitors that do 120hz for under $1000, even if the monitor itself looks dorky it's a very comfortable viewing experience scaled to 2560x1440 high density.

I just got a 32”, 4K, 120hz monitor for $1000.

I got a 32" 4k 144hz monitor for $1000 and given how few of these there are odds are it's a similar panel

It's nothing compared to the XDR. I have no idea why this person thinks the XDR is bad for everyday users.

- I got one as a programmer who mostly looks at text. If you didn't tell me it has HDR always enabled I wouldn't have known, they've done an excellent job with managing bloom on non-HDR content.

- The resolution makes text milky smooth in a way that I always though 4k was this whole time

- 60hz has never bothered me despite regularly switching between this, the 144hz monitor, and a 360hz monitor....

- Accelerometer is neat enough, I have mine on a gas spring monitor arm and can be occasionally helpful to rotate

- Build quality is unmatched by all the gamer aesthetic stuff out there. Remove "backlight bleed" from your vocabulary.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by henriquez »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #160
urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

The startup dude with the Embody and topped out M1 Max with four roommates mates is such a meme today, though. That's because it's incomplete. A $5k screen is not so much a tool of the trade as an accessory for someone signalling themself to be valuable or valued. More commonly, coming to own these things is the result of little professional envy. Our software engineers spend all day developing. They sit in $2-300 ch…

I use a Pro Display XDR with my MacBook Air because of people like you who write long posts about how dumb it is.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by minimaul »

vvoaterr wrote: post #198
xyzzy123 wrote: post #96

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Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

Regarding ridiculously-expensive Apple heirloom tools: Go to eBay right now, and buy any Activation-Locked Apple device. It's OK, I'll wait. === ==== OK, now: try to use it to do something. Anything. Something as simple as write a NOTEPAD note, or play one song from iTunes. === ==== Nope! You are surely getting screenfulls of information telling you, this Apple device has been locked and only the original owner can u…

Depends.

If it was stolen from the original owner then you don't really own the device legally and this is the anti-theft part of activation lock functioning as designed. If you're an innocent third party to the original theft, your remedy is to get a full refund.

If it was just because the original owner forgot to disable activation lock, you should be chasing them to unlock it for you. If they refuse, your remedy is to get a full refund.

edit: reputable recycling places require you to have disabled activation lock on functional devices, or they don't pay out.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by MrFoof »

I've been waiting for a solid 5K display that meets my requirements since 2011. In 2011 I said, "when I replace my iMac, I can't wait to have a few 5K 120Hz displays!"

In May 2021 I did my workstation build. I just bought new value 1440p panels while I sit here with my arms crossed, wondering when the 5K displays which'll meet my requirements will exist.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by bluedino »

jstx1 wrote: post #77
urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

> I just find that's truly not an unlikely situation to be in. Uhm, I would say that fully remote $300k+ jobs are still unlikely.

Think of it as people who earn 300k being able dictate that they work from home, and it sounds a lot more feasible

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by jagger27 »

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #206
neither_color wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didnt realize it's only 60hz, that's pretty bad. You can get 4K gaming monitors that do 120hz for under $1000, even if the monitor itself looks dorky it's a very comfortable viewing experience scaled to 2560x1440 high density.

I just got a 32”, 4K, 120hz monitor for $1000.

4K isn't dense enough for proper 2x scaling at that size though. You have to go fractional, which is okay, but not great.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by floatboth »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #150
floatboth wrote: post #121

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Yep, trying to find PPI based rules of thumb is silly. The better definition of "retina" is far simpler: you render UI at >1x scale on it.

What does 1X scale mean? If your application is resolution independent, it doesn’t seem to be a meaningful distinction.

In a "logical pixel" system (macOS, Wayland, …Android??) the scale is the relationship between logical and physical pixels. In an "app go draw bigger stuff" system like Windows, it's just the factor of how much bigger the UI elements should be. E.g. in Windows settings you can set 150% scale and all UI elements will be 1.5X as large.

And the "good" scale depends mostly on PPI of the monitor, as well as user preference. On a 27" 4K monitor, 1x scale is near unusable: the UI elements would be microscopic. Windows defaults to 150%, but 175% and 200% are fine as well (here's the user preference aspect).

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by bluedino »

When the original Retina Macs came out, they basically ruined me for non-Retina laptop screens. However, regular 27" 2560x1440 screens were just fine.

In 2017 I was able to pick up a deal on the Anandtech or [H] forums, 2016 15" MacBook Pro and the original LG 4K USB-C display for $1600!

I still have the screen to this day. It is still amazing. I never ended up buying a 27" 5K display.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by xapata »

minimaul wrote: post #213
vvoaterr wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding ridiculously-expensive Apple heirloom tools: Go to eBay right now, and buy any Activation-Locked Apple device. It's OK, I'll wait. === ==== OK, now: try to use it to do something. Anything. Something as simple as write a NOTEPAD note, or play one song from iTunes. === ==== Nope! You are surely getting screenfulls of information telling you, this Apple device has been locked and only the original owner can u…

Depends. If it was stolen from the original owner then you don't really own the device legally and this is the anti-theft part of activation lock functioning as designed. If you're an innocent third party to the original theft, your remedy is to get a full refund. If it was just because the original owner forgot to disable activation lock, you should be chasing them to unlock it for you. If they refuse, your remedy i…

I've got a bizarre situation in which an OS upgrade bricked my Mac. I can't remember the details now, but it was something about an interface change in which I had managed to activate 2FA, but the login interface didn't have an input box for it.

The device was old enough that I just heaved a sigh and gave it to Apple for recycling.

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