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Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

aspaviento wrote: post #100
IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

Linux version: - some times the left arrow to move the cursor doesn't work - some times images are displayed and others not - can't have more than 4 people on screen in a video call - the scroll is completely broken - can't get out of the immersive mode without closing the process (the back arrow doesn't work) And the list goes on and on...

It somehow tries to change my camera settings as well, fucking them up in the process.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by artificialLimbs »

mellavora wrote: post #182
542458 wrote: post #176

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Anecdotally (as a counterpoint), we also went with teams, and it’s been… fine. There are bugs, but they’re mostly in the category of “irritating” rather than “massively disruptive”. It’s nice that teams is integrated with the rest of Microsoft’s 365 and outlook stuff, and service uptime has been good enough. From my POV, the differences vs Slack have been pretty minor (although I recognize that my experience isn’t un…

like not being able to delete a chat? I had a chat with an outside org, and now it is forever in my Teams history, and I cannot get rid of it. which has the potential to be pretty embarrassing (if the chat was not work-related) or a violation (if the chat was under i.e. an NDA and the relationship ended thus "you have to delete all notes etc"). I'm sure the creative can think of additional ways this could be awkward.

Wait until you discover the joys of Teams search.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by ncann »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #212
mellavora wrote: post #182

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like not being able to delete a chat? I had a chat with an outside org, and now it is forever in my Teams history, and I cannot get rid of it. which has the potential to be pretty embarrassing (if the chat was not work-related) or a violation (if the chat was under i.e. an NDA and the relationship ended thus "you have to delete all notes etc"). I'm sure the creative can think of additional ways this could be awkward.

Wait until you discover the joys of Teams search.

The pros of Teams search is it is pretty good at finding things, like random chat message from someone who has left the company years ago.

The cons of Teams search is it is almost useless when you can only view the single message in the result list, e.g. a single chat message without any surrounding messages for context, and also no possible way to jump to the conversation for that message.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by extra88 »

albertopv wrote: post #89
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

What I know is that almost every company I have to deal with use Office 365, so they use Teams, and almost every school in my area use Google Suite (BigG got quite good at being the new Microsoft), so they use Google Meet. Almost no one use Zoom anymore simply becase it's not integrated with anything.

Zoom integrates with a number of things pretty well (e.g. "Add Zoom to Meeting" button in Outlook create appointment interface) but it's not bundled with systems organizations already have, like O365 and Google Workspace (or whatever they're calling it these days).

I'm sure Google Meet is used in most of K-12, I don't know about higher ed. The university I work for licensed Zoom pre-pandemic because it was superior to other videoconferencing systems like WebEx and GoToMeeting.

The city council uses Zoom and my impression online is a lot of other local government functions that are now at least partially online do too.

Don't Teams and Google Meet both require everyone to have an account just to join a meeting? Being able to join a Zoom meeting just by clicking a link, no account needed, is very good for user experience.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by spoonjim »

detaro wrote: post #61
pydry wrote: post #36

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I remember when they stories came out they were released in a suspiciously coordinated way. Once one died off another was released to build up momentum again and keep the idea humming in the public consciousness. I figured that it was done by a big party that had a trusted relationship with tech journalists because they bigged up vulnerabilities that were relatively minor to journalists who didnt seem to be aware of…

The pattern of stories indicated that it was a thing that got attention, so people went digging for whatever they could find and push. You don't need a conspiracy for something to get way more attention than others.

Megacorps feeding stories to journalists is not a “conspiracy theory.” It isn’t even a secret!

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by ncann »

bennyp101 wrote: post #77
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #69

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One day they just completely fucked the ability to paste code. It worked flawlessly before and then suddenly it removes indenting, bugs out and doesn't let you exit the preformatted code block. It's so bugged, it's like they didn't even test it. They couldn't have, one day it literally worked fine and the next it was unusable and could be replicated every single time. And why there isn't the ability to just delete th…

I like playing the "can I paste an image in today or not?" game - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes I have to open the web version to do it, other times not ...

The image thing is the most frustrating one. Most of the time someone sends me an image, I can see it in the chat, but as I click on it, the Teams UI bugs out and displays nothing.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by thrower123 »

bennyp101 wrote: post #77
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #69

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One day they just completely fucked the ability to paste code. It worked flawlessly before and then suddenly it removes indenting, bugs out and doesn't let you exit the preformatted code block. It's so bugged, it's like they didn't even test it. They couldn't have, one day it literally worked fine and the next it was unusable and could be replicated every single time. And why there isn't the ability to just delete th…

I like playing the "can I paste an image in today or not?" game - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes I have to open the web version to do it, other times not ...

If somebody sends me an image, I can click on the thumbnail and open it full-size about once in five attempts. Usually it will just open up to a blank screen and fail to load the image.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by thrower123 »

lokedhs wrote: post #147
atraac wrote: post #113

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I fully agree. I literally never felt this much hate and contempt for software as I do when I'm forced to use Teams every day. It's an absolute shitshow of a chat. And when I thought it couldn't get worse, they f*ked up ctrl+a selecting all text on Windows... I work in MS ecosystem, some MS products are great, some are really bad, most are ok-ish, but Teams is on a whole another level of bad.

Then I presume you never had the misfortune of using Skype for Business? We used this prior to Teams, and in comparison, Teams is great. I'm guessing a lot of Teams users come from Skype for Business, so they are really happy with the improvements.

Skype for Business was incredible next to Teams. Lightweight client (even though it was WPF), developer SDK that actually provided basic chat functionality, notifications that didn't automatically get lost in the scrum. I miss it a lot.

The server infrastructure was a bit of a shitshow, if you ever had to maintain an on-premise deployment, and it must have been a complete clusterfuck to run the Skype for Business Online SAAS service they were offering. So I can understand why they did away with it, but I'm still very irritated that this many years into Teams, it's such an unfinished mess...

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by thrower123 »

klhugo wrote: post #178

I hope somebody at Microsoft read this. It goes far beyond security vulnerabilities. The Teams Linux client is barely usable. Chromebooks don't even have a client. Could Microsoft expose an API and allow third party clients to be developed?

You'd think, but alas, no.

At least with the old Lync/Skype clients, you could flip them into UI-suppression mode and drive them with COM, to replace their UI with a custom application, if you wanted to make that investment.

Potentially you could cobble together enough Graph API calls to make a lackluster restricted-feature client, but it would be a mess.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by dspillett »

eli wrote: post #167
dspillett wrote: post #165

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> In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda The security issues like end-to-end encryption not actually being end-to-end encryption (unless you consider the man in the middle to be two ends, forwarding messages between the other two ends) were not propaganda - they really existed. It isn't even propaganda to say Zoom published very questionable statements (or if I allow myself to be slightly less charitable: the occasio…

Zoom’s statements were in fact found by a jury to be false and misleading. If you used Zoom prior to last summer you are entitled to a (small) cash settlement https://www.zoommeetingsclassaction.com/

> If you used Zoom prior to last summer you are entitled to…

Assuming you are a US citizen and were using zoom from a US location at the time.

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