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Post by rvense »

mortehu wrote: post #191
gambiting wrote: post #161

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Quite the opposite! I'd much rather that the website denied me access than treated my private info like their own property purely because they are too lazy to be GDPR compliant.

This could be a client setting, rather than forcing this preference on 400 million users because of where they live.

Yeah, that's not how laws are supposed to work.

I find the use of the 451 status code almost offensive in this case. They're invoking one of the most famous literary treatments of censorship, when really what's happening is that the citizens of the EU are being protected from an assault on our human rights.

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Post by freemint »

oytis wrote: post #154
oakfr wrote: post #92

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The “cost” of being GDPR compliant is negligible if you simply put static content on your website and don’t track users.

At quick glance their page does have a login button, which you can't implement on a static site. It also has social network buttons. These are probably all useful features for them and their audience

Opt-In Social Media buttons exist.

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Post by mcv »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #136
tapoxi wrote: post #109

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This website is an independent publication about Purdue, not Purdue itself. If you're small and running ads, I'm pretty sure you don't want to risk dealing with the significant legal pitfalls of GDPR. They EU isn't your audience, and lawyers that confirm you're in compliance (or not) are expensive.

> They EU isn't your audience, and lawyers that confirm you're in compliance (or not) are expensive. The GDPR is one of the easiest pieces of legislation I've ever read. And the answer is: no, basically nobody is in compliance.

Everybody who doesn't collect personal data about their visitors is perfectly compliant.

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Post by [deleted] »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #156
jahnu wrote: post #101

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One of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives. This displays the virtues of our imperfect system better than anything else, imo. Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

I mean I think that is a very simplistic, limited and isolated point of view to address a population, but also very optimistic about the democratic West population capability to logically read situations. I see tennis players in China being incarcerated for speaking out, I saw recently a video of a guy trying to report about Uyghurs concentration camp, and if I was worried as Americans right now about China (not even…

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Post by Bayesian_bro »

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what ethical system will be more successful in the future. We can already see having consequentialist ethics that don't care about your freedom do a lot better at fighting pandemics. The Chinese know that Tiananmen Square was a bad thing, but they want to forget about it and move on (consequentialism). In America our Tiananmen Square is probably slavery and we apparently don't want to forget about it even if it rips our county apart (deontological). What system will succeed in the next 100 years? The pandemic really showed me some of the issues of Western deontological ethics.

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Post by stelonix »

asimpletune wrote: post #184
stelonix wrote: post #159

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Those movies are more often than not glorifying such embarrassments, which make them propaganda. As an analogy for China & the US, you can say one of them is Orwellian while the other is Huxleyan. They're both oppressive, but it's about time to stop pretending only coercion is bad; propaganda is everywhere in american media and it's the same tactic used by autocracies in the 40s: spin everything you do as "us vs them…

First, now sure I follow how Orwell glorifies these embarrassments, because I think it's the exact opposite. Second, the USA/EU is not perfectly innocent wrt to propaganda, but still... it could be much worse.

Subjective comparisons are really useless on a debate eg. "I think USA/EU are bad but China is worse" while someone else will say exactly the opposite. You'll then say "he's blinded by propaganda" and the other side will say the same. If the debate is in a western website, you win, if it's in China, they win. That's a flamewar shitshow, not a debate.

The Orwell/Huxley comparison wrt the way China/America respectively enforce their narrative. China is through crackdown of dissent, coercion, while the US is through propaganda that paints everything America does as righteous, inherently good, altruist, selfless... You only have to look at the output of Hollywood or modern videogames to see such an obvious fact.

Of course, if you're the target of state propaganda, it'll be hard to decouple what you've been fed your whole life as truth from geopolitical interests. Being an outsider I can see the bullshit in both governments, but the one I'm worried about is the one which has been belligerent since I was born and much before that.

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Post by d0mine »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

The same can be said about the citizens of the empire. Unfortunately, it is the global problem. Especially, countries with the oil are affected (e.g., remember Iraq and fake 911, WMD connections). Though, countries with social leaning should be concerned too I'm looking at you Europe: universal health care is a cardinal sin that will be corrected by the empire sooner or later.

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Post by BurningFrog »

thesuitonym wrote: post #98
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

We have the same problem in the US. Certain "Freedom loving" sects applaud military intervention, increased police presence, spying on citizens, and the death of any protester, peaceful or otherwise.

Not at all the same problem, since those people do not control the government.

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Post by titzer »

jahnu wrote: post #101
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

One of the best ways for those of us in the democratic West to combat this is to not tolerate when our own governments promote false narratives. This displays the virtues of our imperfect system better than anything else, imo. Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

> Don't tolerate lies, hypocrisy, or sophistry from our leaders even if they are nominally on 'our side'.

But Americans do. Things are so polarized that people believe complete horseshit from their political leaders because they don't want to budge an inch to the "other" side.

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Post by Msw242 »

Zigurd wrote: post #127
redleader55 wrote: post #87

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Your post supports with facts - ie. your own experience - the idea that moderate members of a group don't get oppressed, which is missing the point, in my opinion. I think the point of the parent of your post and the article is that regardless of what you believe, you should have the right to your opinion and should not be persecuted for it.

Your "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.

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