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Re: Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation

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I don't know, if you hang out in certain parts of the internet, it feels like a revolution is coming, but it reality Bernie still can't win the primaries, so I don't think the numbers are actually there. But I also won't be surprised if the next generation of voters is more socialist-leaning.

The revolution will not come from the left. The "left" elites have forgotten the people, and the left in general is talking more about identity issues than class issues. The revolution will be more Trump than Bernie. Like in the early 1900, where more revolutions where fascist than communist.

What people in the US call left elites, is being called slightly rightwing in the EU. When I hear comments like „state-funded housing is socialism“ I have to chuckle. That’s just how you make sure people won’t starve if they don’t resort to shady business.

Bernie‘s ideas would be called leftist here, but not extremely so.

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As someone who does OK, but lives in reality (not the bay area), I feel a revolution coming. I hope it's not a violent one, but who knows at this point. Hopefully it's just a politician with big policy changes. People feel completely disenfranchised. You keep hanging housing over their head but just out of reach like some baby toy, then inflation spikes everything else. What's the point of working even? I don't know…

Not to dismiss your point -- because it maybe true -- but don't Americans say this like pretty much all the time? Between survivalists to qAnon supporters it's always about revolution in the country. I'm not saying you are part of any of those, but it seems to me that in reality people in the US just adapt and life goes on...

Re: Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation

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Surely a naive question, but is there a reason it isn’t standard practice to index salaries on inflation? That would make sense to me. But I know very little about the topic.

Inflation helps reallocating labor more efficiently since salary is sticky.

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It's time for the butcher's bill over the silly corona restrictions, and none will ever connect the two to together.

Most of the people here are from the professional class. Not real hurt as much by Covid restrictions. Some even benefitted by being able to work from home, they benefitted from election rule changes, from online censorship, and so on.

So they don't really understand how much the restrictions are loathed by the working poor, who were already on the brink of bankruptcy pre covid restrictions.

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Eh, I'm unionized and had a 13% pay raise. To be fair, they motivated that by saying that I should get up to speed with other engineer's raises instead of staying at a junior level (yes, I'm bragging).

What I'm reading here is the union kept your initial wages 13% below market

Unions in Nordic countries don't stop employers from paying more, they just set minimum pay level. And usually the normal raise level. They can always pay more and usually do with fields like software engineering.

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As someone who does OK, but lives in reality (not the bay area), I feel a revolution coming. I hope it's not a violent one, but who knows at this point. Hopefully it's just a politician with big policy changes. People feel completely disenfranchised. You keep hanging housing over their head but just out of reach like some baby toy, then inflation spikes everything else. What's the point of working even? I don't know…

This is why I love to study history, you can almost predict the future by studying the past. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Reminder: the level of inequality before the French revolution was *lower* that what it is now.

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We had an all-hands meeting recently where we got to submit anonymous questions. One of the questions was 'with inflation rising at 6%, will the company reconsider their 'standard' 2% raise?' The lady answering looks dead in the camera and goes 'Honestly? No' and goes on to talk about how we're reasonably competitive with the local market. Hey, credit where credit is due, at least she was a refreshingly straight shoo…

It's foolish to raise by 6% across the whole company when most employees are too lazy to interview elsewhere. Whether or not employees are actually worth 6% more they should not have a problem finding a new job in this market (that will pay 6% more).

> It's foolish to raise by 6% across the whole company when most employees are too lazy to interview elsewhere.

I mean, aren't people resigning in droves these days?

Re: Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation

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Inflation doesn't - fundamentally - change the power balance between employers and employees. Market forces will cause the situation to find a fair market price. If job hopping can't get you better wages, then you probably don't have enough market power to resist if an employer flat-out cuts your pay. Though to try and prevent misunderstandings - I do think inflation is bad for people who are paid wages. Market force…

Late last century inflation and then wages keeping up with that inflation enabled a generation of folks to pay off their first mortgages quite quickly.

If you timed it right. Several of my friends’ parents had 18% APR mortgages.

Re: Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation

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Look at it from this point of view; if your employer is so unhappy with you that, even when you’ve shown your skill, he’s unwilling to pay you a competitive amount then it’s clear you don’t really have a future at your current job. A new company is willing to risk it on you, while paying more than your current job where you have experience. No surprise they leave in a year anyway.

if your employer is so unhappy with you that, even when you’ve shown your skill, he’s unwilling to pay you a competitive amount then it’s clear you don’t really have a future at your current job This is the crux of the problem - people assume that anyone going to their boss asking for a raise is underpaid. That isn't always true. When someone goes and finds a new role on more money it's almost always at a higher leve…

I disagree with that. If you go into somewhere as a senior for example, it is not unheard of that a year later you can make a lateral move for 20%+ payrises. I've seen it happen many times in my career (obvious caveat that anecdote != data).

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Not sure how inflation is calculated globally; but where I live (Norway) we leave housing costs out of inflation. That always seemed very strange to me. Our main cost of living, (which has gone through the roof the last 25 years) is somehow left out of the calculation. My rent, or cost of buying a house - is much more important than the cost of a Snickers bar.

I don't know about Norway, but in France it is weighted at 7% of the inflation calculation, which is way below what people actually pay for housing. In theory, it is because housing is considered an investment, but in practice it doesn't seem to hold up and is critized by some economists. I also find it very strange.

> it is because housing is considered an investment

How great would it be to live in a world where house prices never rose, and people just invested in stock or bitcoin.

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