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Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Anyone who finds this concept interesting to think about and hasn't seen this video may enjoy it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko

See also Foundation by Asimov.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

This has been true for a long time and it is not a bad thing. It’s an easy target to romanticize but realistically, any alternative is basically a way of saying: “let’s stop evolving.”

Disagree.

Wanting to evolve differently doesn't mean halting.

It's a call not to devolve.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Must be a Y in the day. It amazes me how many projects exist that don't even have multi-region capability, let alone no single point of failure

Multi-region is difficult and expensive, and a lot of projects aren't that important. Most of our infrastructure just isn't that vital; we'd rather take the occasional outage than spend the time and money implementing the sort of active-active multi-region infrastructure that a "correct" implementation would use. We took the recent 8 hour us-east-1 outage on the nose and have not reconsidered this plan. It was a calculated risk that we still believe we're on the right side of. Multi-AZ but single-region is a reasonable balance of cost, difficulty, and reliability for us.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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HOST THE GODDAMN STATUS PAGE ON AZURE FOR FUCKS SAKE. There is zero excuse for this shit. Be professional. Acknowledge reality. It is logically impossible to run your own status page. Trying to do so just wastes everyone else on the internet's time when you have an outage.

Seriously.

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Vercel is down too. My sites run on Cloudflare and Vercel, and I can't even log in to those right now. I'm curious — what does Hacker News run on? It seems impervious to any kind of downtime...

HN definitely gets overloaded at times, including during big outages when everyone stampedes here. I got a bunch of "sorry, we can't serve your request" a little while back.

Pobody's nerfect.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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post #143

This outage is extremely frustrating to me. My company hosts all our apps in gov cloud. Gov Cloud West 1 is also down, but the AWS Gov Cloud status page indicates that everything is healthy and green. I thought AWS's incident response to the East outage last week was that they'd update the status page to better reflect reality. Gov Cloud Status Page: https://status.aws.amazon.com/govcloud

i had multiple govcloud hosted salesforce instances down but they appear to be coming back up now.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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post #210

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

Many years ago I stood at the window of my comfortable apartment, watching wind and cold rain rage outside. I thought about my cave men ancestors who during such a storm if they needed water would have to go out and get it, getting themselves soaked. If I wanted water, the tap in the kitchen would give it to me, in a nice controlled fashion. If I did feel like having water rain down upon me, my shower would do that,…

Not to mention that when the power goes out, the illusion fades fairly quickly. Learned that lesson myself in the Texas snowstorm early this year.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

#219

We are barbarians occupying a city built by an advanced civilization, marveling at the hot baths but know nothing about how their builders keep them running. One day, the baths will drain and anyone who remembers how to fill them up will have died.

This has been true for a long time and it is not a bad thing. It’s an easy target to romanticize but realistically, any alternative is basically a way of saying: “let’s stop evolving.”

P.S. That Paw Patrol shit hit me right in the emotions. Awesome site.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're monitoring AWS downtime they might want to rethink this.

How come? It's accurate.

True, if it is down, then that means AWS is down (not necessarily, obviously). :D But honestly, if they want to monitor AWS, they gotta pick something else for this reason, something that is not down when AWS is.
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