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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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No I mean confirmed bombs found in the capitol or near the capitol.

Coffman's truck was, and the DNC and RNC where the bombs were placed are, all near the Capitol.

Ok. But no confirmed bombs on the capital grounds or in the capital and no confirmed connection between those bombs and the protesters?

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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So no guns found inside the capitol? Not a single gun was found inside of the location where it's claimed it's claimed they were trying to overthrow? Not a single shot went off? Just poop on the walls? Can you overthrow a government by making it so gross with poo that they don't want to go back in the building? I don't believe this should be labeled an insurrection.

> So no guns found inside the capitol? You really should want what guns were used to be distributed between the people that went in to the building and those staying outside with no discernible patterns to argue against an organized insurrection. All the guns being outside just indicates that it was strategy (say to overwhelm the outnumbered inside security with numbers, melee weapons, and chemical agents, while rese…

> All the guns being outside just indicates that it was strategy (say to overwhelm the outnumbered inside security with numbers, melee weapons, and chemical agents, while reserving firearms to deal with the potentially more numerous and better equipped relief that could be sent).

The "more numerous and better equipped relief" was sent in to clear out the rioters. And no gunfights broke out. So apparently this wasn't the strategy at all.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Polarization in America: One side invaded the capital building in a violent attempt to overthrow democracy, and the other side wants to make voting for whoever you want as easy as possible. Guess which pole I’m at and tell me how I should meet the other pole in the middle.

Did all conservatives and right-wing people storm the capital?

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Only one side picked up torches and marched for white supremecy, and had an entire news network support them. This is why all these articles on "why can't we just get along" are almost impossible to take seriously. If you look at the situation, the left is finally admitting that it is tired of trying to "get along," and it is hard to blame them.

And you saw no similar behavior from the left in the preceding months to that event?

No, because there wasn't any. But go ahead and try to make that comparison, it'll be great to have your words on the record forever.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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> So no guns found inside the capitol? You really should want what guns were used to be distributed between the people that went in to the building and those staying outside with no discernible patterns to argue against an organized insurrection. All the guns being outside just indicates that it was strategy (say to overwhelm the outnumbered inside security with numbers, melee weapons, and chemical agents, while rese…

> All the guns being outside just indicates that it was strategy (say to overwhelm the outnumbered inside security with numbers, melee weapons, and chemical agents, while reserving firearms to deal with the potentially more numerous and better equipped relief that could be sent). The "more numerous and better equipped relief" was sent in to clear out the rioters. And no gunfights broke out. So apparently this wasn't…

> The "more numerous and better equipped relief" was sent in to clear out the rioters

After the insurrection had clearly failed in its overt objective of capturing and coercing the VP and members of Congress, leaving nothing to fight for. So if it had been a strategy (which I do not argue it was, again, I very much am not arguing this was a well-organized insurrection), it would have already been irrelevant.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Let me help you expand your knowledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shootin...

Uh yeah let’s equate that to an armed insurrection that killed 3 people and would have overturned a presidential election if not successfully repelled, and that has been defended or denied by Republicans en masse. He was condemned by both parties, and was not part of the mainstream liberal movement.

> Uh yeah let’s equate that to an armed insurrection that killed 3 people

The only person that was killed during the capitol riot was one of the rioters shot by capitol security. Justified, to be clear, but it wasn't violence perpetrated by the rioters. Brian Sicknick died of natural causes [1][2][3].

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sic...

2. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-offi...

3. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56810371

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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It's an interesting paper, but unfortunately it misses the point. Polar dissimilar political beliefs are not the problem. Many countries have this, and even have lively political discussions that remain civil, rallies that remain civil, and elections that remain civil. The actual problem is psychological, specifically dealing with identity beliefs. Once a person takes on a belief as part of their identity, any attack…

| For example, in America you say "I'm a Republican." or “I’m a Democrat.”

I’ve lived in the US all my life, and I feel like I must have missed the day at school that they trained everyone to identify this way. It has always been completely bonkers to me to take on identity defined by a political corporation subject to the whims of the populace (at best) and monied/powered interests (at worst).

There are probably vast tomes being written by psychologists and sociologists about how it’s an outgrowth of our lack of community and need for belonging, but at the end of the day I find it all rather sad in the now.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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> If your political beliefs prevent you from associating with somebody because you have labeled them so firmly as to write them off entirely as a person, you have jumped the shark and become the problem. If someone is having their bodily autonomy threatened by legislation pushed and passed by a political party and a choice for potential partner actively supports and votes for those people to gain or retain power, it'…

You’re illustrating my point here. You’re assuming that everyone fully believes and supports anything in the party platform, especially the most extreme elements. This absolutely works both ways and erases people in favor of a label. I talk to a lot of conservatives. While many of them oppose abortion, the issue that sent so many of them over the edge is the lack of willingness of Democrats to agree on a limit. The b…

>I talk to a lot of conservatives. While many of them oppose abortion, the issue that sent so many of them over the edge is the lack of willingness of Democrats to agree on a limit.

I have found that the vast majority of "pro-life" republicans and "pro-choice" democrats I have spoken with have literally no substantive difference in opinion on abortion law. It is astounding.

Neither group has an actual answer for where the limit should be. Most are uninformed on what the current laws are. Only few outliers are all or nothing, eg life at conception Catholics, or late term abortion radical feminists.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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The polarization is much worse on the left side of the isle. I’d always observed it on the internet with what comes across as belligerent hate of anything done by a conservative, but this recent poll really brings home just how far the brainwashing has gone. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/over-70-of-young... If your political beliefs prevent you from associating with somebody because you have labeled the…

Only one side picked up torches and marched for white supremecy, and had an entire news network support them. This is why all these articles on "why can't we just get along" are almost impossible to take seriously. If you look at the situation, the left is finally admitting that it is tired of trying to "get along," and it is hard to blame them.

Not every republican was in that crowd marching for white supremacy. Similarly, not every democrat participates in burning down churches and court buildings.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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You inadvertently provide an excellent example of what is causing polarization in America: Highlight the worst possible examples from the side you oppose while assigning the most charitable intentions to the side you support.

Well, I'm not an American, and yet I think they're entirely right. Also, we note you don't provide any actual rebuttal. :-)

I'll provide a rebuttal in a similar format to the original to serve as an example of why it is completely unhelpful and unreasonable.

One side violently took to the streets in multiples cities, destroying many small businesses, and causing significant civil unrest.

The other attempted to protect the citizens being attacked in those events and discourage further violence.

One may say that these events weren't strictly Dem vs Rep events, but current hostilities and ideas would suggest that each side was dominantly one or the other.

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